Everyone But Me Is Wrong About The Cornetto Trilogy

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  @InnuendoStudios · 2 years ago · pinned

  NOTE: calling Gary "narcissistic" was, in retrospect, poor word choice. while I did not mean to imply Gary has Narcissistic Personality Disorder, there is enough ableist discourse that presumes a) any selfish person is a clinical narcissist, and b) people with NPD cannot help being abusers and must be avoided at all costs, that I think it wise to retire colloquial use of "narcissistic" and stick to synonyms like "egotistical" and "selfish." like any disorder, NPD is something that can be managed and compensated for, and people living with it deserve the same respect as anyone. (and I have beef with the psych world for naming a disorder with a word that literally means "hopelessly selfish" in common language.)

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  @Kay-dh4sb · 2 years ago

  I’ve always thought that Gary orders water in the pub, not because he kicked his addiction necessarily, but because earlier in the film his friend says there’s nothing more badass than ordering water in a pub full of tough guys. He’s ordering water BECAUSE he wants to start a fight, or at least to show off.

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  @SpiritOfWanderlust · 2 years ago

  &quot;You live in a community, a culture, an...an...ecosystem!&quot;<br>I saw you, Ian. &nbsp;At the writing desk, working on this script. And trying so very, very VERY hard not to say &quot;You live in A SOCIETY.&quot;

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  @heyred6081 · 2 years ago

  how could anyone see gary king play apoco-knight with teenage clones of his old friends and think “wow he really grew up and took responsibility”

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  @JamesWVanFleet · 2 years ago

  I think all three of these films have arcs (if not the major traditional arcs you&apos;d find in more predictable films), in that these characters end the films by doing something they could not have done at the start of the film. At the end of &quot;Shaun,&quot; Shaun is able to compartmentalize his adolescence. At the end of &quot;Fuzz,&quot; Nick is able to laugh, make friends, and work well with others. At the end of &quot;World&apos;s End,&quot; the more important development is not that he&apos;s drinking water at the end (though that&apos;s very encouraging), it&apos;s that the Network offers him a very literal way to regain the adolescence he craves, and he rejects it, something I don&apos;t believe he was capable of doing at the start. It takes him being face to face with the thing he wants most for him to not only say &quot;nah,&quot; but to also say that he himself is not perfect, the thing we&apos;re repeatedly told he&apos;s incapable of doing (&quot;You&apos;re never wrong&quot;).*<br><br>(His rejection of his blank also takes on real weight when you consider that the pub crawl is functionally a suicide run. His eyes lighting up at the start of the film are when he first gets the idea for a very literal &quot;last hurrah,&quot; and him rejecting self-annihilation is important.)<br><br>* I think this movie means a lot to people with mental health issues or addiction problems not just because Gary has serous baggage and problems, but because the film recognizes *how extremely fucking hard it is to change*. Because it literally feels like the world you were familiar with is ending. And then those first steps out of the behavior feel deeply meaningful to the person afflicted.

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  @Aramithius · 2 years ago

  I disagree with the characterisation of Nicholas Angel as returning to what was before. That would be him accepting the offer to go back to London and being the same entirely-buttoned-up cop he was before. The shoot-out scenes are entirely against the book (for British policing, anyway), and what protocol would have been in those situations would be to call in an armed response unit, which wouldn&apos;t be the other local bobbies. While Angel is trained for that, he&apos;s not part of that unit now, and so shouldn&apos;t act that way. And he would know that.<br><br>There&apos;s also the scene where they&apos;re filling out the paperwork for the village-wide shoot-out, he engages with the un-PC banter and is accepted in it, in a way he wouldn&apos;t have done before. The final scene of the film has Angel and Danny break out the sirens for some teenagers messing with bins, when Angel explicitly cautioned against that at the start of the film. While this isn&apos;t necessarily &quot;becoming an adult&quot; (the implied punitive response for a minor infraction is part of why it&apos;s a gag ending), it&apos;s still growth on Angel&apos;s part that he&apos;s accepting a different attitude to policing compared to the one that he started with.<br><br>I also think that a reason why there&apos;s empathy for Gary among a certain demographic (certainly me, as an elder millennial) is Gary&apos;s words in his fight with Andy. The &quot;this was supposed to be the beginning of the rest of our lives, but it never got better&quot; section in particular is a sentiment that echoed strongly with me personally after graduating in 2007 and then the Great Recession hit the next year, meaning the jobs market dried up and led to me temping for three years before going back into education. I don&apos;t know how typical my experience was, but I imagine many were similar. Gary&apos;s reaction may have been childish, but that was the emotional core of the film for me - the idea of wanting to relive the &quot;glory days&quot; of youth, because reality never lived up to expectations.

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  @benwasserman8223 · 2 years ago (edited)

  So my favorite thing about Hot Fuzz? It&apos;s one of the only cop/action cop films I&apos;ve seen that actually emphasizes the paperwork side of policework. And what makes these scenes funnier is how Wright shoots them with Bayhem cinematography to make the paperwork seem more epic.

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  @Paint_The_Future · 2 years ago

  I liked the recurring fence gag.

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  @hannabelphaege3774 · 2 years ago

  Hot Fuzz definitely does the best out of them. Nicholas has friends, he loosens up a little, he&apos;s still a petty tyrant but in a story where the police don&apos;t abuse their power.<br>I like Gary King&apos;s performance so much though. Finding the depths of his selfishness and self destructive behaviour is a journey. &quot;They tried to tell me when to go to bed&quot; is such a raw admission.

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  @B-019 · 2 years ago (edited)

  <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfSfcJUUJII&amp;t=1093">18:13</a> I feel like you missed the point that the Network didn&apos;t just pick &quot;some&quot; people. The Network had to replace all but 3 people in New Haven, and Basil really only half-counts.<br>This is pretty clearly the state of the Network&apos;s colonization of Earth: in a world where everyone must grow up or die? Most people get mulched.<br><br>I feel like that kind of undercuts your point that this is a &quot;Space Brexit.&quot; Because if the invasion is supposed to make humans grow up, the resounding answer seems to be that nobody does, really. It&apos;s why Steven ends up with his childhood crush Sam, why Peter beats his blueblood bully with a stick, why Gary... well, is Gary.<br>Gary is the figurehead of imperfection, how people always carry some of their foibles and immaturity with them. It feels more like a rejection of corporate culture and gentrification for something more genuine, if less constructive or even outright (self-)destructive. TWE seems to state that you can&apos;t get rid of that without also getting rid of humanity.<br><br>IMO, &quot;The World&apos;s End&quot; bit off a little more then it could chew. Between its cyclical structure, juggling more main characters than the previous movies, making the troughs of tragedy lower than in any previous film, and broadening its thematic reach to stuff like &quot;Starbuckin&quot; and &quot;going green&quot; on top of everything else... It&apos;s a little bit messy. But that&apos;s honestly part of its charm for me.

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  @theunreadcomment9834 · 1 year ago

  I have to pull you up on one thing:<br><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfSfcJUUJII&amp;t=705">11:45</a> &quot;the pubs all look the same&quot; - They don&apos;t, only the first two do.<br>The pubs are all designed around thier names.<br>The First Post - the first stop on the crawl<br>The Old Familiar - identical to The First Post<br>The Famous Cock - where Gary is finally recognised by the bar tender<br>The Cross Hands - where the first fight happens<br>The Good Companions - where they try to act like they haven&apos;t realised whats going on in town and are just good friends on a night out<br>The Trusty Servant - Gary tried to buy drugs from his old dealer<br>The Two Headed Dog - where they fight the Twins<br>The Mermaid - the group are lured by schoolgirls<br>The Beehive - where they try to take on the whole town, followed by a trip to the &apos;smokehouse&apos; (smoke is used in bee keeping to calm them)<br>The Kings Head - Gary loses his head and is determined to finish the crawl without his friends<br>The Hole In The Wall - Steven drives a car through the wall<br>The Worlds End - The Network leaves Earth and plunges everything into the dark ages

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  @enemycrumbles · 2 years ago

  I think the reason that people assume that Gary comes out morally superior in “The Worlds End” is because they included that line about how 90% of people are being replaced by the system. Additionally, the fact that explicit parallels are made between the gentrification of Newton Haven and the alien replacement of humanity. I agree, though. Gary’s ordering of tap water in the final scene doesn’t represent growth for him, it shows that he’s become intoxicated by his own ego and no longer needs alcohol to live in self-delusion.

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