Vivziepop Can't Write Caste Systems (and how Homestuck did it better)

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  @strikingsarcophagus · 1 year ago · pinned

  Please share this video I want a reason to yap about Homestuck

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• LI

  @lisoak6504 · 1 year ago

  I think the Charlie would work if no one knew she was a princess. Let's make it that Lucifer disowned her because she is too kind,and naive,and ruins his reputation as a fearless leader. So she is undercover and if someone would discover her identity she would be severely punished by Lucifer,so she doesn't use her powers, because that would make other demons know she is a princess.  Here I fixed it in two minutes.

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• RA

  @randomdegenerate9180 · 1 year ago

  “Vivziepop can’t write”.<br><br>Ah, yes. The floor continues to be made of floor

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  @70Lu07 · 1 year ago

  Let us all remember that Vivanne was trying to be serious with her caste system, Hussie was doing it as a bad scifi parody to mock bad alien worldbuilding, vivziepop being serious could not make something better than someone doing something as a joke

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  @Majoアーチャーミント · 1 year ago

  So basically, Vivzie introduced a caste system..... just for the sake of drama. For ONE episode!<br>-_-

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  @tiablue9106 · 1 year ago

  &quot;helluva boss is what happens when you try to write a prejudiced society but are afraid of writing bad people&quot; basically sums up my thoughts on this; and this not just being &apos;a bad society&apos; but someplace as supposedly awful as HELL makes it worse. <br>and sorta unrelated but this is basically why I never rlly minded the magic high commission in star vs the forces of evil being racist against monsters. of course I didn&apos;t think all that was handled perfectly but I never quite agreed w/ the ppl saying their characters were &quot;ruined&quot; by that.

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  @PartiallyCatto · 1 year ago

  Vivziepop is what I’d call a gutless writer.<br><br>She WANTS to write about class systems and their consequences, but is too afraid to reflect reality or create genuine allegories for how classism affects society.<br>She WANTS to write about abusive authority, but is too afraid to depict genuinely bad people, so instead she resorts to Disney-style villains with no depth beyond being cartoonishly evil. Meanwhile, characters with a more active role (Stolas, some of the Sins, etc.) are constantly woobified, with their neglectful and abusive actions brushed aside and blamed on others.<br>She WANTS to explore the effects of emotional and physical abuse that victims endure daily due to societal structures, but is too afraid her audience might feel uncomfortable with realistic portrayals and take the subject matter too seriously.<br><br>Viv lacks the maturity to handle serious topics, and it shows in her constant fear of addressing them properly. Instead, she sugarcoats everything out of fear of alienating her audience, prioritizing fan appeal over genuine storytelling. This is why critics often describe HH/HB as a fanfiction of itself.<br>She leaves no room for gray morality, despite it being essential for stories like this. Instead, everything is framed in simplistic black-and-white terms: the supposed “good guys” are stripped of any real flaws, while the “bad guys” lose all potential nuance.

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  @mimipeahes5848 · 1 year ago

  yeah it is hard to write a story about discrimination when no one suffers from discrimination. rwby type of writing problem lmao

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  @davidstone8844 · 1 year ago

  On the Purple vs Violet Bloods, while the Violets are technically higher, the Land and Sea Trolls basically fight and do not really respect each other&apos;s privileges. &nbsp;The Condesce encourages this so none of the leaders of the Troll Race will ever challenge her rule.

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  @luluzin5022 · 1 year ago

  Charlie seeing Angel be abused by Valentino and being unable to do anything INFURIATES me. Valentino is just a sinner! At the end of the day, he was sent to hell to suffer like everyone else. How come the princess of Hell can&apos;t ruin this guy&apos;s life and business?

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  @clownbites1203 · 1 year ago

  Alternia’s Caste system is very intentionally cartoonishly fascist, but it’s so well crafted and so indept that when it has moments of taking itself and the oppression that the Lower Caste goes through seriously it doesn’t feel forced. Striking said that adults are shipped off planet to join the empire, but there’s another reason and it’s to stop Troll Adults who were led in a rebellion by a mutant blood from not only retrying their revolution but to also stop their young from being educated about it. Teal Bloods hold the responsibility of controlling what knowledge and information is made avalible to the other Caste members to read on top of creating propaganda supporting the empire, the Condese and the Heiress which further reinforces their role in thr caste as law enforcement and evokes their zodiac sign libra

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  @blockyuniverseproductions · 1 year ago

  I think one thing that could (but won&apos;t) be explored about Hell&apos;s caste system in HH/HB could be the system itself falling apart because of neglect. The higher-ups seem more focused on their own dramas and power plays, and the lower castes are increasingly unhindered in doing their own thing. There could just be a point of &quot;why do we even need to follow you guys anymore?&quot; down the line.

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