Is Luthen a Monster? | Star Wars Andor

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  @Zephirite. · 2 years ago

  <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL3xi47dmFo&amp;t=945">15:45</a> I interpreted Luthen’s mention of the daughter as <b>guilting</b> Lonnie, saying “these men might’ve had families too. They are dying for your family, your future. You want to be her father, and I’m giving it to you.”<br>The tragedy is, after this conversation, Lonnie will go home and hold his baby girl in his arms, and know that fifty men had to die for that moment to happen. His relationship with her will forever be bloodstained.

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• SA

  @SafirJamil · 2 years ago

  If Luthen even suspects the ISB is coming for Lonnie he&apos;d probably kill him before they got to him. Another horrible nightmare of a price Luthen would pay for his cause.

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  @GrayNeko · 2 years ago

  This is exactly how intelligence agents manage their assets. They treat them like children. Break them down, then build them back up. Luthen&apos;s speech to Lonnie is a father figure coming clean. It&apos;s heartfelt, and meaningful, but I don&apos;t think for a second that it isn&apos;t meant to twist the knife a little deeper. It&apos;s a guilt trip. I think that&apos;s what Luthen meant when the said &apos;I&apos;m condemned to use the tools of my enemy.&quot; Luthen has had to become a master of lies and manipulation, knowing full well what his attempt at rebellion will cost to the entire galaxy.

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• MU

  @MuddywatermultimediaGroup · 2 years ago

  Andor was so good that i was able to get my 80 year old mom to watch it and she liked it.

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• TE

  @temmy9 · 2 years ago

  “The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters.” Antonio Gramscii

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• DO

  @dominictemple · 2 years ago

  This talk about Luthen’s tactics reminds me of a definition of terrorism that I really liked, terrorism is a PR campaign with violence. It’s aim is to provoke their target to overreact and recruit the friends and family of the victims who are killed or injured by terrorists opponents.

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• AL

  @aleksarogan · 1 year ago (edited)

  the shape of the elevator door resembles a playing card from Solo/Lando game and &nbsp;Lonnie standing there is like a joker in Luthens hand. He values this card more than 30 regular cards + one king in his other hand...

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• KI

  @kirkdarling4120 · 2 years ago

  &quot;I am condemned to use the tools of my enemy to defeat them&quot; ... Mon Mothma said something similar.

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• DA

  @DasCoyn3 · 2 years ago (edited)

  When Luthen says, &quot;Calm. Kindness. Kinship...&quot; There is the slightest pause before he says,&quot;Love.&quot;His eyes wander, and it is as if for a moment he lingers on a poignant memory, perhaps of a love lost.

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• JA

  @jazzx251 · 2 years ago

  IF Loni is discovered, that makes his daughter a useful tool during his torture, to find out what he knows about the rebellion and Luthen.<br><br>Luthen was prepared to kill his &quot;loose end&quot;, Cassian Andor - just as a way of tidying up.<br><br>Loni is a much more serious problem if he&apos;s caught. I think Luthen would make sure he never ended up anywhere near an ISB torture chamber.<br><br>I wouldn&apos;t be surprised if Kleya was at the top of the elevator shaft waiting with knife in hand, if Luthen had told her the meeting hadn&apos;t gone as expected.

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  @WhyDaRumGone · 2 years ago

  What I love about this scene is the writings ability for Lonnie to set up Luthen to be able to Monologue. Bad writing would have him go straight into the monologue that might fell out of place

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  @fritzerland2210 · 2 years ago

  Great analysis. I almost wish you had continued and did the follow up scene as well, where Luthen has to convince Saw to sacrifice Kreegyr’s men.<br><br>Interestingly, Luthen tells Lonni it’s 50 men, but in that later scene he tells Saw it’s 30 men (plus Kreegyr). Which one was the real number, if either? Maybe he made the number larger for Lonni so it seemed like a bigger sacrifice, to make Lonni feel more valuable, but made it smaller for Saw to seem like he’s sacrificing less. Or maybe it’s something else entirely.<br><br>But when we do get to the immediate aftermath of Spellhaus at the ISB, Blevin walks in the room and asks how many attacked and Lonni tells him that they’re still counting the bodies. It’s left very intentionally ambiguous.

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