Andor : a Marxist story

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  @herobrinesblog · 2 years ago

  <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2rt9bDi3eQ&amp;t=420">7:00</a> &quot;i dont intend to be political&quot; said the french revolutionaries wearing their &quot;fuck the king&quot; shirt at the beheadings..

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  @marcocatano554 · 3 years ago

  My first thought when listening to Nemik&apos;s first lines out of his manifesto. &nbsp; I could picture him in Russia in 1918, or in Italy in 1944, &nbsp;central america in the 80&apos;s. You name it. Pure revolution vibes

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  @kevinkelly8995 · 3 years ago

  The dessert to this, I find, is all the right-wing youtube creators out praising Andor completely oblivious to their own irony.

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  @JoserobertoTorres-ec1lf · 1 year ago

  Princess Leia&apos;s hairstyle is inspired by the Adelitas, female guerrillas of the Mexican Revolution. Andor is like a revolutionary leader like Pancho Villa or Emiliano Zapata

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  @suadela87 · 2 years ago

  One thing I absolutely love about Andor is it shows that what the Alliance is made of. It’s not made of governments of various planets forming an alliance against the empire. It’s the anarchists, MLs and revisionists forming an alliance to bring down a galaxy dominating colonial superpower.

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  @MinesAGuinness · 2 years ago

  I know it was just a name that sounded cool when Rogue One was written, but I now can&apos;t unsee that &apos;And or&apos; makes a good pun on the medieval dialectic upon which Hegel, Marx, and Engels later ruminated! :-)

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  @JohnBrockman · 2 years ago

  To highlight how similar the Republic and Empire are... the crashed ship in Andor&apos;s backstory was a Republic ship, and the mining operation was either Republican or Separatist.

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  @RaneWanders · 2 years ago (edited)

  I got out of the military 5 years ago (now mid-20s), and have since been compensated by the military for disabilities ive made tremendous healing.<br>Since 2020 ive been travelling fulltime in an RV, basically retired for life.<br>I use mostly my words &amp; education to be revolutionary, but am disconnected from the means of production.<br><br>Does that make me a lumpenproletariat?<br><br>Also i was shocked to see the manifesto &amp; quotes like &quot;the pace of oppression outstrips our ability to understand it&quot; from Disney itself,<br>it&apos;s like someone planted a seed in the beast to eventually to its demise, <br>almost like a thermal exhaust port in the Death Star

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  @ca7371 · 3 years ago

  Gilroy’s said they’re pulling from all over history and that Luthen will go the way of other revolutionary OGs, so that probably means he’ll be killed by his own people or die sacrificing himself (then be left out of the history books in favor of more appealing figures like Mon Mothma, Leia, and Luke). Also, while he’s based off of figures like Stalin, he’s denied sharing that ideology, only specifying anti-Empire.<br><br>That ‘drawing from all over history’ comment also relates to what Gilory meant about the show ‘not being political’: depicting based on precedent but trying to avoid showing one solution as superior. You’re giving the writers too much credit for political messaging over simple depiction. This is written by Americans, more specifically the writers of House of Cards, Michael Clayton, Wall Street, the Bourne Series, the Ides of March, Nightcrawler, etc. They specialize in picking apart American capitalism and democracy, but clearly do not support Marxism in its place. It’s the typical “fascism is bad, but we won’t take a side beyond that” but done intelligently, since we have yet to find that answer. Too many people are conflating criticism of capitalism or western democracy with full disavowment of it.<br><br>However, considering how Marxist many of the characters in Andor are, I’m curious if they’ll address the difference in beliefs between our leads and how things end up politically in the original trilogy. We know the rebellion ends in a conventional western democracy (which then gives way to another wave of fascism), so will there be any addressing of that? It may simply be that extremists fight the war and moderates get the spoils, or something along the lines of the conversation with Saw, where all non-fascists simply have to band together now and in-fight later. A great bookend would be a drama depicting the fall of the government created by Leia, Luke, Han, and Mon Mothma. It would presumably parallel what’s been going on the past decade (and on many other occasions throughout history) with the rise of populism and the right-wing as liberals become complacent. I don’t doubt Star Wars/Disney’s will cash in on this period of history, but I do doubt anyone with the Andor team’s level of writing will tackle it.<br><br>As for why anti-woke people like Andor, they probably see themselves as revolutionaries fighting woke oppressors. They see themselves as a persecuted minority, same as Hitler, even though they themselves are persecuting others. The anti-woke crowd tend to make surface readings of media then bend the rest to fit their agendas.

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  @spridgejuice · 3 years ago

  This is why so many people find Andor so much closer to &quot;real&quot; Star Wars than the algorithmically driven fan service guff of their other recent shows and films.

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  @moshiria1 · 2 years ago

  I totally agree. You can also notice most of the bourgeoisie and Imperialists in the starwars universe have British accents.

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  @martindice5424 · 1 year ago

  The Prison Arc is also reminds me of Kafka’s The Trial.

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