Mormon Apologetics: The Problems - LDS Discussions Ep. 46 | Ep. 1822

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  @pahlmark · 2 years ago

  Wow. Great episode! I’ve been investigating the church for the past few weeks after 10 years of being inactive, served a mission between 2003-2005, and was born and raised in the church in a small town in Utah. <br><br>I’ve binge-watched this series and after I watched this episode one of my most faithful brothers called and we got on the topic of Mormon history and I expressed my concern about a few of the big deal issues that I had no idea about until recently. <br><br>The conversation was very civil and I was blown away that he went through so many of the apologetics that I had just heard. Almost verbatim as they were gone through in this episode. <br><br>I’m so glad I found this podcast. I’ve always considered myself a diligent truth seeker and the truth is that the truth is hard, and is often only found in the bottom of a barrel of lies. <br><br>Thank you all for the work you do.

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• JA

  @jamestrek2570 · 2 years ago

  Just when I think LDS discussions is done y’all come back with another banger 💥

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• CH

  @christopherrandallnicholson · 2 years ago

  Don&apos;t forget how Mormon apologists constantly lie that the church has always been transparent (even though its own historians have publicly admitted otherwise) and claim that if you didn&apos;t know about the crappy details of its history all along, that&apos;s your own fault for not spending your free time reading everything it&apos;s ever published. According to them, I should have known about Joseph Smith&apos;s seer stone because the Ensign devoted an entire sentence to it the year before I was born. That&apos;s always pissed me off, and thanks to the LDS Discussions series, I now see how it fits into the church&apos;s broader pattern of blame reversal.

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• MA

  @marinab2802 · 2 years ago

  As a historian I have to say, to affirm that the past is a foreign country doesn&apos;t mean it&apos;s free of ethical judgment or it gets a pass on morality. You absolutely should keep in mind that there were different times, but you can still say &quot;that was wrong&quot;. The same way we look at dictatorships today and are not willing to support it, the same way I as a foreigner from the U.S can say what is going on about reproductive rights is wrong, the same way I look at my country and say that there are a bunch of wrong things going on. The past is a foreign country is a way for us to recognize that we are in a time and a space and that mold the way we see the past, doesn&apos;t mean history should be voided of any sort of judgment in its writing. You should ideally tell people from where you are speaking, but the church &quot;historians&quot; like to pretend that is not a thing.

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• PS

  @psychopompp · 2 years ago

  I want to point out the difference between apologetics and propaganda. To defend an argument through reason, principles and context is a worthwhile pursuit. Traditional apologists like Thomas Aquinas or St. Augustine add a lot to our moral and doctrinal discourses. The church’s defenders you’re mentioning here engage in word games, obfuscation, logical fallacies, bad scholarship, manipulations, outright lies. This is not apologetics; it is plain ol’ propaganda in support of power and control

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• GQ

  @gq5341 · 2 years ago

  Made my $2k donation a couple days ago this year cause of my love for the LDS Discussions Episodes.

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• LA

  @ladrac198 · 2 years ago

  Waddell&apos;s answer about secret versus confidential being a point of view reminds me a lot of Obi-Wan in Star Wars: &quot;what I told you was true... From a certain point of view&quot;

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• RU

  @rune_rosen · 2 years ago

  These discussions are helping me, a high school senior, write a paper on the censorship of mormonism for a grade in my English class.

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• TR

  @trustys21 · 2 years ago

  Mike, YOU make learning about “The Church” and it’s BS doctrine/revelation easy to understand!<br>Thank you for this series!<br>Thanks to Nemo &amp; John for their knowledge &amp; insight!!<br>These 3 men should be the top leaders in this church! A lot less of us would be leaving!

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• JA

  @jaredbagwell8826 · 2 years ago

  I used to be an Apologist. It was really taxing on my self esteem. I kept wondering what was wrong with me.

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• ST

  @stevenclark9056 · 2 years ago

  I know it isn’t a big deal, but clarifying the pronunciation of “presentism” for Mike was something I’ve been waiting for since almost the first episode. lol

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• HA

  @HaileyClare · 2 years ago (edited)

  <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEPhRob5GUI&amp;t=5145">1:25:45</a> Hugh Nibley is simply doing what has been done before in other worlds 😂😂

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