LDS Temple Endowment and Masonry | Ep. 1669 | LDS Discussions Ep. 23

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  @virginianielsen3480 · 3 years ago (edited)

  “God has swallowed prophets in fish for less” don’t worry Nemo I appreciated that one 😂😂

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  @sachamo100 · 3 years ago

  40 years a convert to the church. I have been in a Faith crisis for about a year, hesitant to leave because of my strong testimony! I think this episode is the final straw. I don’t know what it means for my marriage or friendships but, i just can’t live a lie!

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  @marjoriegarner5369 · 3 years ago

  Plagiarism is not the real temple problem for  me.  I will be 81 this year.  I was 20 when married in the Logan, Utah temple in November 1963.  It was the most traumatic and terrifying day of my life.   I was not prepared for the  horrible blood oaths.  Being threatened to have your throat cut and be disemboweled if you reveal any secrets of the covenants and ceremony of the temple ...is not what a 20 year old virgin wants to hear on her wedding day, or at any time. What did this have to do with Jesus?  I was crying and terrified through the hours long ceremony.  I  am so angry about the abusive terror...still at 80 years I was born and raised in the church.  And it just about destroyed my life.

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• RY

  @ryant6134 · 2 years ago

  I feel so betrayed and lied to by the church. I left about 6 years ago at 35. At that time I was tired of the culture and holier-than-thou attitudes.<br><br>Then as I started digging in and deconstructing I became more bitter and resentful. Now I’m at a point where I am no longer angry or trying to expose them. I simply share what I’ve learned when others like my family ask.<br><br>The one thing that actually pisses me off is the gaslighting and abuse that many active members engage in by calling “us” apostates, anti-Mormons, faithless, and victims. They can’t fathom that there are numerous legitimate reasons why people would leave the church and be angry.

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• DA

  @danamellerio5833 · 3 years ago

  Your concluding remarks about there not being much to be learned outside of memorizing rituals triggered a memory of multiple members of the church telling me that they learned something new every time they attended the temple (the endowment ceremony). &nbsp;These statements literally drove me nuts. &nbsp;I would search for some new tid-bit or nuanced wording in the ceremony each time I attended the temple over the dozens and dozens and dozens (and dozens more) while I was a member of the church. &nbsp;To this day I don’t know what they were talking about as I practically had the whole ceremony memorized by then. &nbsp;I tried to approach the temple ceremony in various ways, trying to get something new out of it, but in the end, it just became another obligation.

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  @lilatueller · 3 years ago

  I went through the temple in 1980. Repeated the gross penalties many times. I felt at the time that it was bizarre and creepy, but most of the women I respected were there with me, and did this regularly, and spoke of the beauty and reverence of the temple, etc. I never was taught it was from Masonry, never taught exactly what the penalties meant, other than &nbsp;they represented different ways life may be taken. I decided it was figurative, and just to scare us into keeping all the secrets. But very relieved to see them taken out in ‘90. I’m furious I ever allowed myself to do this stuff

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  @jennahudson3420 · 2 years ago

  I was born Mormon LDS, went through the temple to receive my endowments, my maiden last name is Mason, I’m related to Brigham Young. I was very active in the church back then. I’ve always had a problem with many doctrines of the church… polygamy being the biggest problem. I’ve learned a great deal about Freemasons now.

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  @rebeccabarthel3201 · 3 years ago

  This episode was really hard for me. &nbsp;Really let my tears flow because I feel so betrayed by the church. &nbsp;I never realized that the activities in the temple were copied so much by the Freemasons

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• TE

  @teresapitman1659 · 3 years ago

  I think we should make this entire series of videos required viewing before any potential converts are baptized...

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  @teresapitman1659 · 3 years ago

  Also, if there is an afterlife, I think Joseph Smith is shaking his head and thinking &quot;wow, people are even more gullible than I thought.&quot;

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• GD

  @gd8205 · 3 years ago

  MAKE LDS DISCUSSIONS A DOCUSERIES!! <br>A chronological account of Joseph Smith, as told with as much historical accuracy as represented in Mikes essays. Man that would be amazing. Contact the producers of Under the Banner of Heaven….😊<br>You would reach MASS people who need the truth and have Informed Consent!

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• FU

  @function0077 · 3 years ago (edited)

  A hilarious quote from Martha Beck&apos;s book &quot;Leaving the Saints&quot; refers to her wedding day and to the pre-2005 washing and anointing ceremony. She said the following, &quot;When I&apos;d dreamed of my wedding day, my girlish fantasies never included having old ladies daub my naked body with oil. If they had, I seriously doubt that I would have been granted a temple recommend.&quot;<br><br>I chuckle every time I read this. I too was weirded out by the washing and anointing when I went thru the Mormon temple for the 1st time in 1998.

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