The Lost Realism Of Villains

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  @TheSlowpokeIsAGamer · 4 months ago

  Probably doesn't help the modern "realistic villain" would look at lot like the CEO.

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  @NyGeL_Derey · 4 months ago

  The thing is, you could see Frollo's train of thought, and even though you didn't agree with him, you understood how he thought and why. He had a backstory and reasons you could accept as real for him

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• SA

  @SarajevoKyoto · 4 months ago

  To be fair, Te'ka being Te'fiti the whole time is actually consistant with Hawaiian mythology. Volcanoes are engines of both destruction and creation, so the goddess having, in essance, a split personality is a good reflection of that

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  @dhruvgeorge · 4 months ago

  Now that I think about it, the Frollo-Quasimodo relationship is kind of similar to Mother Gothel and Rapunzel in tangled

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  @erbenattila9460 · 4 months ago

  Hans&apos;s problem wasn&apos;t the lack of realism.<br>His motivation was realistic:<br>Youngest child in a long line of successors, with next to no chance for inheriting the throne, so he planned to marry Anna, kill Elsa to put his wife on the throne, then kill her too, so he gets to rule as king.<br>A perfectly logical, well thought out, and very realistic plan, many rulers throughout history came to power in a similar manner.<br>The execution was flawless too, because you usually don&apos;t notice you&apos;re being led on, until it&apos;s too late.<br>The problem is actually that it was TOO realistic for an imaginative tale:<br>Everyone hates when the detective in a story just pulls some game-changing information, that the audience had 0 access to, out of their ass, to make you seem foolish for trying to figure out who the culprit was (looking at you, Poirot 😡).<br>Rourke worked as a twist villain, because you could see his disdain for Milo&apos;s enthusiasm, and hear his snide comments throughout the entire movie.<br>He clearly didn&apos;t care about the cultural significance of finding Atlantis and had other intentions for the expedition.<br>His &quot;betrayal&quot; either made you feel mad at yourself, for not noticing the clues earlier, or accomplished, because you saw it coming from a mile away.<br>Hans&apos;s twist, on the other hand, felt more like a bird shitting onto your ice-cream:<br>There was no way to foresee it, and there&apos;s nothing you can do about it, except be mad at the bird.<br><br>Magnifico wasn&apos;t even the villain of the story, until the writers quite literally forced him to be.<br>He was a great leader, who understood that not all dreams and ideas should be realized, and not every wish&apos;s outcome is good, regardless of the intent behind it.<br>They had to forcibly TURN him into an &quot;irredeemable villain&quot;, because his ideology went against being one.<br><br>Yeah, I have nothing for Namaari and Te Kā, I also just hate this whole &quot;every villain is redeemable&quot; bullshit.<br>That&apos;s actually why I was so hyped for Magnifico, because he was ADVERTISED as an irredeemable villain.<br>What a letdown...

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  @mattm8870 · 4 months ago (edited)

  In Moana you missed the fact that maui broke the balance by stealing the heart which hold the power of creation and life leaving behind only decay, death and destruction. By returning the heart the balance was restored.<br>Also you are ignoring that in real life actaul villians have there villianly ignored, not be noticed or are forgiven way to easy.

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  @moonwatcherfan · 4 months ago (edited)

  I like movie villains that genuinely make me mad, it’s all the more satisfying when they’re defeated. But then every villain today that seems like pure evil has to have some traumatic backstory to justify their actions. I’m not saying backstories are a problem, it’s just it takes away from the feeling or theme of the story when you try to make audiences empathize with a villain who is supposed to be irredeemably evil, unless it fits into their specific character, but even then we want villains every once in a while who are so evil it’s actually satisfying when they’re defeated.

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  @D6-w8m · 4 months ago

  Drag his ass into their realm <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPmPywKCHIY&amp;t=606">10:06</a> first time I heard you cuss 👏

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• JA

  @jacksonsay37 · 4 months ago

  Mr. Burns is a good example of a villain of the kind that is pretty common in real life (a greedy CEO who mistreats his employees) but is still hilarious.

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  @brodyalbert9214 · 4 months ago

  <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPmPywKCHIY&amp;t=900">15:00</a> not every story needs a villain, a point of contention sure, but it doesn&apos;t mean a supervillain.

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  @angelb.823 · 4 months ago

  The irony is that Rourke from Disney&apos;s Atlantis (and probably John Silver from Disney&apos;s Treasure Planet) was the cornerstone of the rating decline of the Disney villain popularity and status as evil and intimidating monsters representing the darkness and evil within the hearts and nature of men, represented in characters like Maleficent, the Evil Queen, Lady Tremaine, Jafar, Ursula, Scar, Captain Hook, Ratcliffe, Shan-Yu, Hades, Frollo, etc., due to the engineering and experimentation era of the 2000s Disney&apos;s plot-twist villains. Not saying that the &quot;plot twist&quot; trope is bad by any means, but it needs time and space to fill up the villain&apos;s goal, ambition, and motivations to better understand them, the likes of which can probably extend to a short-lived mini-series, not a feature film of an hour and a half.

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  @GaidenDS10 · 4 months ago

  I think through time, Disney has that morality going softer and softer through out the years, but it has become so repetitive as a brand itself, people of those who are smart enough are going to easily tell how the next scene will become. And they ended up slowly losing a portion of that hardcore fanbase by limiting your comfort zone for other people.

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