Psychologist Testifies About Lindsay Clancy Telling Husband She Heard Voices

Paul Zeizel is a psychologist who met with Lindsay Clancy in the hospital a few days after she killed her children. Zeizel testified as a defense witness in her murder trial in Plymouth County Superior Court in Massachusetts today (Tuesday, August 18, day 15). 06:32 "Do you have an opinion based upon your review of the discovery in the case to a reasonable degree of medical certainty as to whether or not Lindsay Clancy, in the course of that evaluation, was malingering or lying or exaggerating?" "Yes, I do." "Tell the jury." ... "She was not faking. There was no evidence of any malingering. She presented as an honest citizen." 09:21 "the nature of my work was basically the equivalent through the military with the military as a combat psychologist. I was embedded in the field. I would do evaluations..." 13:43 "I received a phone call from Attorney Reddington late in the evening on February 3, 2023. It was late because I was already in bed sleeping, and the phone rang. It was about 1130." "And without getting into the the details, did I advise you that I was representing a young woman by the name of Lindsay Clancy, and that she was severely injured, and she was in a hospital?" "Yes." "As a result of that, what did you do?" "That next morning, I went to Brigham Women's Hospital went to the front desk where one would normally check in, and there was a woman there who was I felt was a volunteer. I explained who I was. I explained that I was asked by Attorney Reddington to evaluate Ms. Clancy on the surgical ICU unit." 14:49 "I was initially told I couldn't go. I had to wait 30 minutes. Attorney Reddington called the chief counsel of the hospital to enable me to have access to the unit where Ms. Clancy was staying." 16:12 "While she's laying in the bed, did she have the tubes and the wires for treatment in the emergency, the intensive care unit?" "Yes." "Was she intubated at that point? If you recall?" "She was not." "So she was able to speak." "Yes." 16:41 "At that point, had you and I met and talked about this case at all?" "No." "What was the reason I asked you to go to the hospital?" "You were worried about her mental health, given the significant event that had just taken place a few days earlier. You were concerned that she had absolutely no ability to have visitors, visitors were not permitted to meet with her, from family members to friends to a priest. No one was able to see her." 18:13 The conversation I had with Ms. Clancy at that time was one where I asked if she knew where she was, so I did what's called a mental status exam-a brief mental status exam. It's orientation to time, place, location. She didn't know where she was. wasn't quite sure what time it was. She knew who she was, and she told me that she remembers what happened, but it was very fuzzy and foggy at the time. She had been on medication for the significant pain post surgery while in that hospital room." 18:55 "And during the course of that interview with her, did she express any concern to you about her husband Patrick?" "Yes, she did." "Tell the jurors what she indicated to you." "She said, since 11 days prior to my meeting with her, which would have been January 24, 2023, she had no contact with Patrick. She wanted to know how he was doing." "She wanted to know if she could call him and find out where things are with her and with him, and how he was faring, and to just speak with him." 19:35 "She expressed concern about her family?" "Yes, she did." "Did she express concern about what had happened?" "Yes." "Did she ask you, or did you offer to her the ability to speak to her husband, Patrick?" "She asked me if she could use my cell phone to call her husband." 20:07 "So that first phone call, I believe on the 24th, he did not pick up. She left a message. ... We then called back two days later on the sixth." "And after the two days had transpired, and the call was made on the sixth, did she have a chance to talk to Patrick?" // "And tell us what she said to Patrick in your presence on the speakerphone at that point." "She had told Patrick that she loved him very much. She was unable to express a lot of emotion, but she expressed love for him, and she had said that she heard a male voice ordering her, telling her that she didn't have any choice, but she had to kill her children, and then kill herself." 26:21 "addition to all of the police reports, grand jury minutes, photographs, and things that you've described for us, sir, have you also had occasion to review all of the medical records?" "Yes." 29:55 "So my question was, how did she react to the increase in the Zoloft?" "Poorly." 36:32 "Psychosis is what's considered a major mental health disorder. It's when people have disorganized thinking, and the symptoms most typically are hallucinations..." 38:50 "Can you tell us is a person even if they are in the throes of psychosis are they able to make a phone call?" "Yes, they can." "Are they able to drive a car?" "Yes."