DIY Art School Part 1 (Knowledge) - Draftsmen S2E03

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• DR

  @Draftsmen · 6 years ago · pinned

  What’s your favorite resource for getting your drawing knowledge?

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• SH

  @shanexhall · 6 years ago

  Stan in January: “In 5 years everyone will be teaching online”... try 5 weeks bro lol.

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• VA

  @varunsingh2052 · 6 years ago

  The timing for DIY artschool couldn't be perfect thanks Stan and Marshall

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• NI

  @nikosp3156 · 6 years ago

  The way Marshall talks so smoothly and clearly seems that he is born to be a radio host!

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• JO

  @jorgelima7899 · 2 years ago

  The part when Stan says you have to constantly search for the things you want to learn is 100% true. I am an engineer and this is absolutely true, the constant search for an answer to a problem will lead you to the answer directly or indirectly. I would add to this that even when you find the answer you must keep looking both for optimization and corroboration.

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• DR

  @DrPhilologist · 6 years ago

  The thumbnails are becoming more and more awkward. Can't wait to see the next!

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• MA

  @MarkWhippy · 6 years ago (edited)

  A difficulty of diy art school though, is having to do it after work when you’re tired or doing it on weekends. But at least you’re learning what you actually want to learn.

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• BR

  @BreezleBoss · 6 years ago

  You are ABSOLUTELY killing it with these thumbnails NEVER change

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• VO

  @vonritzenhoff9715 · 6 years ago

  I wish I had Marshall in my life. Someone to go on a winding tangent of wisdom and endless recommendations

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• TH

  @TheFineArtisan · 6 years ago (edited)

  Marshall speaks with knowledge and passion and u can’t help but want to hear what he has to say.

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• TH

  @TheSangson · 2 months ago

  <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2ySymlrZBE&amp;t=801">13:21</a> Oh, sweet child of summer. How quick the turn tables

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• BL

  @bloopboop9320 · 6 years ago (edited)

  Having gone through art school I can say that there have been some pros that I don&apos;t think have been brought up (though I still don&apos;t think the price is necessarily worth it). I will make a slight defense, but I will agree with the fact that: Everything that is taught at art school can be found online AND art school is dangerously expensive and is a real gamble that can screw you over.<br> <br>Art schools don&apos;t make a lot of profit (or at least the ones I&apos;ve looked into). They are expensive, but they aren&apos;t very profitable. Having as little as 3-6 less students per course can actually kill certain majors or entire fields of study. Art schools have to balance both marketability (what does the student THINK they need) vs applicability (what does the student ACTUALLY need). For instance, imagine you are a high schooler who wants to be an animator. Are you going to go to an art-school that has an infamously difficult first year crash course that teaches complex anatomy, draftsmanship, perspective drawing, and technical skill? Or are you going to go to an art-school that says &quot;You get to animate in YOUR FIRST SEMESTER!!!&quot;. To someone who doesn&apos;t know better, you want what you want NOW and the idea that certain skills that aren&apos;t what you like might help you get better at what you want can be a foreign concept. Art schools have tough decisions to make where having less marketability might make them sink further into debt so they are &quot;forced&quot; by the market to appeal to what the students want to know and not necessarily what they need to know. It&apos;s hard to tell the parent of your customer &quot;What your kid wants isn&apos;t actually what they need to get a job.&quot; That being said, there is nothing wrong with animating in your first semester, but animating (if hand-drawn or requires building your own rigs and what not) is a heck of a lot easier if you understand how to draw anything from any angle. I&apos;m also not DEFENDING art schools that say they can teach you to become a master but are actually only teaching you what you want to hear.<br><br><br>Time: Art school gives you time and you are literally paying for the time to learn. It is MUCH harder to try and learn all of this stuff while balancing a full-time job or even a part-time job. I understand it is still possible to do it without art school (as many have) but art school gave me the time to understand just how bad I was at art and adapt to the challenge of needing to get better. I can safely say that the only reason I was able to get &quot;skilled&quot; at art was because of the time to be able to push myself as much as I wanted. If I wanted to pull several all-nighters and make the best work that I could I had the time and availability to do that. As people say, Time is money and at art school you are also paying for time and not just classes.<br><br><br>Instant community feedback and peer knowledge: Before art school I had no favorite artists or even knew what Instagram was. Essentially, all I knew was that &quot;I liked doodling monsters in high-school and coming up with story ideas.&quot; I never knew anything about &quot;internet art communities&quot; or &quot;internet artists&quot; and stuff like that. Art school allowed me to immediately see that people &quot;followed artists&quot;, had &quot;favorite artists&quot;, or would take &quot;inspiration&quot; from other artists. I had no idea that that was allowed or even a common thing and it helped me get a bigger picture of the scope of art and that there are many genres and sub-genres that people were inspired by. Some people can excel on internet art communities, but for me it never works. There is a disconnect that makes it hard for me to stay attached to them. <br><br><br>Without art school, I can say that I definitely would not be an artist nor would I have found what I like to do as an artist. Some of the most important &quot;art-changing&quot; moments that I can think of happened at art-school because a teacher directly told me, &quot;This is something you aren&apos;t good at and you continue to make this mistake. I want to see you fix this and make this weakness your strength.&quot;. That information can still be said online or through internet communities, but I do not think that it stirs the same emotions as an in person discussion or critique.<br><br><br>Art school is ridiculously expensive (even the cheaper ones) and I find it hard to justify the pricing especially when I have seen so many people go through art-school and not show vast improvement. Art school definitely helped me become an artist, but I would say that the vast majority of people I know who went to art school do not have art jobs even several years after attending it. The issue with a lot of art schools is that art itself is &quot;subjective&quot; and can be difficult to enforce students to meet certain &quot;quality tiers&quot; or &quot;tiers of improvement&quot;. If a student doesn&apos;t improve after 2 semesters do you kick them out? Or do you let them stay because &quot;they are paying you to go there&quot;. Is the school morally responsible for someone who is paying to go to something but is unwilling to learn? Or should the school force you to learn a very specific way which will then make a bunch of &quot;clone artists&quot; who all make the same work? <br><br><br>Personally, I think all of the knowledge that art school offers is available for free online. Proko (and many other channels) have given me infinitely more knowledge than art school gave me, but art school gave me time to develop experience and to learn how to perceive art in a way that I don&apos;t think can simply be taught online. The only reason why I have learned to appreciate Proko is because of art school. Without it I would never have clicked past one or two Proko videos.<br><br><br>One last word of advice if you want to go to art school: Go to an art school that is NEAR THE INDUSTRY YOU WANT TO GO INTO. I had no understanding of how difficult it would be to try and get an art job when the nearest relevant hiring place is roughly 800 miles away. You want to be able to get a job out of college or during college. The sooner you get a job the better. It is an uphill battle having to convince people that you will &quot;transfer&quot; for a position instead of living right down the street from the said position.

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