Poland's Rise as a Military Power and What It Means

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  @michaelshurkin613 · 1 year ago (edited) · pinned

  Per @sgebert, my numbers are wrong. If I&apos;m wrong, i&apos;m wrong, and I appreciate being corrected. He writes: <br>According to the official data, the numbers you provided are wrong. The official data: land forces (54,000), air force (17,200), navy (7000), special forces (3200) and territorial defence (36,000). Additionaly there are about 2200 soldiers in service for the cyberwarfare forces and about 3300 in the military police. Also the finance numbers are wrong, as Poland spent (2024) 159 billion zloty (40 bln usd) on military, and will spend 187 bln zloty next year (2025) which equals 47 bln dollars.

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• AD

  @Adam_Malcher · 1 year ago

  There is an old polish saying: If you know how to count, then count on yourself. History taught them that several times.

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  @Empty_Kestrel · 1 year ago

  As a Pole: we have decided to not go gentle into that good night ever again. Never again.

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  @crabLT · 1 year ago

  Buying from the Koreans means technological transfers and sharing of full technical specifications, allowing Poland to manufacture domestically and letting Korea enter the European arms market.

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  @CairSilverwolf · 1 year ago

  I&apos;m Polish, and I do have intrest in military modernisation process (as a civilian hobbyst), there are few things I can clarify . <br>- Poland is not buying Leopard tanks - at least that was not the plan for many yeras now. The Leopards you mention are used tanks of 2a4 and 2a5 type, some are being modernised to 2PL version. However both political situation, and unwillingness of germans to transfer manufacturing/technology seems to convince polish leadership that germans are not to be relied on, Leos will remain probably till they will be phased out by K2. &nbsp;that is why first 250 abrams M1A2 sep v 3 were wanted (request went to USA before 2022 fullscale russian invasion on Ukraine. ) than additional 116 M1A1 FEP were ordered , But main direction was to be K2 - as Koreans were seemingly most flexible on tech-transfer and production licence, &nbsp;the first general talks were about transfer of production and over all around 1000 K2 tanks ( including some produced in Korea) &nbsp;180 were ordered from Korea - another 180 somewhat adapted to polish requierments were to be ordered till the end of this year, some of them will be assembled in Poland (at least that is what is the rumor in mili-bloger spheres , no details tho) and next batches would be produced in Poland. &nbsp;Now if US will offer good or better terms on M1 production it might go a bit differently. The goal seems to be to reach around 1300-1400 &nbsp;modern MBT (not counting Leos) for 6 divisions (2 armoured, rest mechanised) <br><br>- &nbsp;attack hellicopters - some commentators in Poland are worried that 96 Apaches is a bit much (costs of upkeep , etc) but the order was made so 96 it will be , probably 16 per division. As for their use - the rumor is that russian attack helis did a lot of work in stopping the attempt to cut Crimean corridor in June 2023- fireing ATGMs at Ukrainians forming up for mechanized attack - missiles 10 km+ outside of MANPADS range, &nbsp;so still good for quick anti armor hunting from behind your own lines, at night, I guess.<br><br>- Artylery in Poland - K9 and KRAB share chassis (with some modifications in Polish one as it is licence build in Poland) , Turrets are different , gun similar 155mm L52 , both will have polish TOPAZ firecontrol system (K9 are fitted with it in Poland) <br><br>- Himmars - the request was for 500 or so, but since almost 300 korean K239 have been ordered I doubt full 500 will be ordered <br><br>-IFV - Borsuk plans are for around 1400 vehicles (400 in diffrent variants than IFV) - First production batch will be ordered within a copule of months - <br>Heavy IFV - planned - does not exist yet. probably will have same unmanned turret as Borsuk in IFV version <br><br><br>Soviet era equipment. <br>Poland decided to get rid of soviet era and ammo standard , hence a lot of new orders. <br>Polish president said officially some time ago that Poland transfered more than 1000 picies of heavy equipment ( tanks, bmps, soviet calliber artylery systems, some soviet MLRS systems etc) including close to 400 tanks. There are still around 150-200 PT-91 (polish modernisation of T-72) so M1 Abrams and first K2 batch are &nbsp;replacement for them.

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  @lexluthor6497 · 1 year ago

  Poland has had enough. Never again. I like it. We need a strong poland. Beautiful place.I will revisit. Next time the mountains. I saw them from the plane when I left krakow. Hello from Finland

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  @Niccodemuss · 1 year ago

  <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1LMLZiLS7A&amp;t=1125">18:45</a> there is another thing, how Poland is being treated as a customer. For Germans Poland is like &quot;meh, they want some of our tech, they can buy only some outdated old stuff&quot;. I still remember how some German newspapers were shocked and angry when instead of buying Leopards Poles chose K2s.

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  @Teaamery · 1 year ago (edited)

  “Poles never beg for freedom they fight for it “, &nbsp;General Witold Urbanowicz <br><br>I love polska 🇵🇱❤️🇮🇶

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• RI

  @richardthomas598 · 1 year ago

  I like what Perun joked about this. It&apos;s like Poland turned up at an arms show, a salesman asked &quot;what requirements do you have?&quot; and Poland said &quot;YES.&quot;

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• DI

  @dinekp · 1 year ago

  I am Pole, we we have not forgotten also on 1919, when Red Army attacked and we have to stop them.

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  @BrianPatrick-s6b · 1 year ago

  Those countries that &quot;enjoyed&quot; the hospitality of Putin&apos;s employees NKVD/KGB and tbeir affiliates in the baltic states and Poland knew exactly what a country without a credible military meant....it&apos;s not losing a few islands in the south Atlantic. Its actually knock on the door at night and people disappeared.

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• JO

  @JohnHughesChampigny · 1 year ago

  The French mistake wasn&apos;t relying on the Maginot line, it was relying on Belgium.

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