How the Mormon Church Handles Doubt | Ep. 1800 | LDS Discussions Ep. 44

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• MA

  @marlenemeyer9841 · 3 years ago

  “Get an answer for yourself……..but if you doubt then you are being deceived.”<br>It’s a thought stopping technique!

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• PU

  @purkinje7894 · 3 years ago

  I wasn’t pulled into the boat, I was born in the boat. <br><br>I was told how dangerous the water was and had to take them at their word. <br><br>I was told that there was a captain who wanted nothing more than to take us to safety… but the captain wouldn’t talk to us directly. We could send him notes and sometimes he would send vague messages back, but he never showed his face. <br><br>We had a first mate who said he spoke to the captain and he would tell us what the captain said and how we would get back home. <br><br>The first first mate said we needed to head north so we did. But then he died.<br><br>The next first mate said the captain told him we need to be heading northeast, not north, but we were close. <br><br>Then the third first mate said we should be heading East. Then south. Then west. Then north again.<br><br>Then you start to ask “are we just going in circles? Can we talk to the captain directly? Can he come out of his quarters and show his face? We want to go home.”<br><br>Then you are told “no, you just have to trust that the first mate is telling you the truth.” <br><br>Then they tell you “Look, I can’t promise that we’ll get you home while you are still alive. You might die on this boat, but you just have to trust that we’ll get you there eventually - even if it’s after your dead.”<br><br>You start to wonder if there is a captain at all. And if there is a captain it starts to become clear that the first mate isn’t talking to him. <br><br>So you gamble. You take your life in your own hands… and you jump into the water out of desperation to find your own way home. <br><br>And the water is refreshing, and it’s waist deep. It has been the whole time.<br><br>Sure there are storms, and waves, and the water is cold sometimes, but it’s also teaming with life.

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• IE

  @ieatoutoften872 · 3 years ago

  I am not even doubting. &nbsp;I just wanted to get out of the toxic culture that would use me, and then throw me away like yesterday&apos;s newspaper.

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• FU

  @function0077 · 3 years ago (edited)

  That is exactly why we are ex-Mormons. We believed our parents and leaders when they taught, &quot;say what is right, let the consequence follow&quot;, &quot;the truth matters&quot;, &quot;by their fruits ye shall know them&quot;, &quot;the truth can withstand scrutiny&quot;, etc.

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• ZO

  @Zodiacalesotericmatrix · 3 years ago

  As a convert, I was required to doubt everything but Mormonism.

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• IA

  @iamjustonemom1950 · 3 years ago

  Mike nailed it on Oaks&apos; &quot;research is not the answer&quot; is meant to separate spouses in mixed faith marriages. He does not want the spouses to talk and study together, looking for truth.

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• AO

  @aosidh · 3 years ago

  Proud of my child self, who realized &quot;if it&apos;s actually true, then it can withstand doubts&quot;, and as a corollary, &quot;when you get in trouble for asking a question, it&apos;s because somebody doesn&apos;t want to answer&quot;

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• OU

  @OuttaMyMind911 · 3 years ago

  It’s almost fascinating in a way, that in just a few decades, I’ve watched the church go from touting itself as gods premier church, the greatest institution the earth has ever seen, containing all truth; to being compared to a rundown dirty dinghy, with a disheveled, unkempt fisherman as the “leader”. <br><br>It’s been a crazy ride!

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• TH

  @thelastgoonie6555 · 3 years ago

  Remember the conference talk about the church being a LUXURY CRUISE LINER? I love that the church is now a dilapidated dinghy. lol

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• AC

  @ACompleteUnknown97 · 3 years ago

  Yeah, what really gets me is this insinuation that people with lists of doubts are doing it to find an excuse to be against the Church, that it&apos;s because of some moral problem or commitment problem, or a problem of their heart. As a kid I really had the idea drilled into my head that &quot;good kids believe in the gospel, bad kids, the Lamans and Lemuels, are the ones who fall away.&quot; Which is one reason why even though I had so many doubts I was so committed, because I was a &quot;good kid,&quot; and &quot;good kids&quot; were like Nephi. Only in my 20&apos;s did I feel the confidence to doubt a little more freely and honestly.

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• CH

  @christopherrandallnicholson · 3 years ago

  You hit it out of the park as always, John, Mike, and Nemo. Speaking of Sister Renlund not being equal to her husband (although I want to say parenthetically that I heard them speak in a smaller setting, and I thought the way they relentlessly teased each other was far more romantic than the usual &quot;My wife is so amazing and I&apos;m so unworthy of her&quot; crap), could you do an episode on the church&apos;s history of sexism? It&apos;s a very neglected topic compared to the racism, but possibly even more damning. I grew up being taught that the church was the most pro-woman organization on Earth, that its divinely ordained gender roles weren&apos;t sexist and that anyone who thought they were just had the wrong perspective. My final shelf item was learning that a. this is pure BS and b. the church&apos;s current teachings about gender roles are a quietly watered-down version of its more extremely and blatantly sexist teachings from less than half a century ago. Mormons have no right to get away with pretending that the Family Proclamation&apos;s lip service to equality represents eternal and unchanged doctrine. Frankly, I&apos;m still pissed off that the church intentionally conditioned me not to recognize sexism right in front of my face.

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• BL

  @blythe169 · 3 years ago

  i have spent my whole life trying to justify NOT looking outside of the church for answers and was always met with disappointment and dissatisfaction. these videos have been a HUGE part of my deconstruction and have given me more peace and understanding than anything the mormon church has published. keep up the great work john, mike, and nemo!

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