Discussion on Justification with a Lutheran Pastor

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  @Deb-p4z9s · 3 months ago

  “Cooperating with grace” is how it was explained to me

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  @voyager7 · 2 years ago

  Three years late to this party but better late than never. This is how dialogue should be, respectful and honest. Props to both men!

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  @dschweitz16 · 2 years ago

  Beautiful dialogue amongst brothers ❤

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  @rachelhayes6366 · 4 years ago

  Awesome discussion! Bryan Wolfmueller does an excellent job representing the LCMS Lutheran faith, per usual! Thanks, Pastor for explaining things so clearly and precisely! And for keeping things light hearted and humorous. I learned a lot about the Catholic faith from this video, and I am not yet convinced you and I are wrong! :D Keep up the “good work”! =P

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  @The_Tennessee_Loving_Lutheran · 4 years ago

  Amen WolfMueller

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  @nathanalex6880 · 5 years ago

  I just reread the sections of the CCC on justification, Grace, and merit the night before this stream. It finally clicked for me. Coming from a former LCMS tradition and am seeking to join the true Church, after a year of seeking God. Thanks to Michael for hosting this conversation and speaking so articulately. Love these conversations!

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  @thethikboy · 2 years ago

  Justification is not more or less. It doesn't increase or diminish. That applies to sanctification.

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  @michaelhodges2391 · 5 years ago (edited)

  Michael, you did such a good job, you were clear and concise and answered all questions and objections with such precision and charity. I also really like pastor Wolfmueller and thought he was a great guest and I hope you have him on to talk about Mary sometime soon. Keep up the clarity and charity because it's really enjoyable to see such a knowledgeable Catholic engage in these dialogues

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  @bethanyann1060 · 5 years ago

  Loved this. It warms my heart seeing y’all get along since I was an LCMS Lutheran before converting to Catholicism. Pastor Wolfmueller was one of my go-to guys in those days :)

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  @theticoboy · 5 years ago

  About 2/3rd done with this. Good discussion. While not convincing, this Lutheran pastor is funny, polite and makes for an interesting discussion.

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  @caffeinated-minds1 · 4 years ago

  I love that this is an issue of emphasis between Lutheran and Catholic theology. For the catholic mindset, the healing of a person to holiness (Theosis) means becoming more justified (like straighter out), more true in a sense. Lutherans don’t disagree with what happens, but what it means. They move this process into sanctification, separating it from justification as far apart as east from west, with two concerns in mind 1) to not detract from the finished work of Christ, and 2) to allow sanctification its own space in the work of the individual person, without the danger of the sin of pride.<br>The approaches show different concerns which are very much pastoral in nature. Catholics would argue that there’s still work to be done that requires personal effort (ok, this is the start line, now pick up your cross and go), Lutherans would argue that not separating justification from sanctification can lead to scrupulosity and pride.<br>It’s interesting that the sharp separation of justification and sanctification is the hallmark of Lutheran/Protestant thinking. An orthodox would pro a alt argue that the problem only arises when you impose legalistic language onto the process of theosis, and the split could have been avoided altogether.<br>However, there’s a deep value in the Protestant approach that cannot be underestimated, either.<br>I love our Christian family tree 🌳 😊

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  @tomwhitman528 · 5 years ago

  I think you bring the best out of each other and got into the weeds in a really helpful way. The different moments of justification in Abraham&apos;s life was a real eye opener for me when I first recognised it in Scripture, so I appreciated you talking about it Michael. Great conversation!

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