47 Ronin – How to Waste a Movie | Anatomy of a Failure

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  @Filmento · 2 years ago (edited) · pinned

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  @Spiderfisch · 2 years ago

  Its impressive how keanu reeves immediatly went from this shit to John Wick

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  @roscojenkins7451 · 2 years ago

  $150 million failure????<br><br>Disney: hold my beer five times in 2023

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  @jasonluna2919 · 2 years ago

  Fun Fact: The 47 Ronin director Carl Erik Rinsch was given $55 million by Netflix for a new sci-fi series called Conquest, but took the money and ran.

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  @joseph-fernando-piano · 2 years ago

  One of my favourite pieces of trivia about this movie is that, based on RT scores, this movie (with a critic score of 16%) is neither the worst (&quot;Hitman: Agent 47&quot;, 8%) nor the best (&quot;47 Meters Down&quot;, 53%) movie from the 2010s with &quot;47&quot; in the title...

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  @dadcomeback1470 · 2 years ago

  The 47 ronin was an amazing story of honour and loyalty on its own it never needed these fantast parts added to it and weakened it for me

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  @StevenConning · 2 years ago

  It&apos;s such a shame that the movie became this because there&apos;s a true story that this is based on. &nbsp;The one year gap, for example, was because the real ronin laid low for two years before enacting their plan. &nbsp;It was like the writers read notes about what really happened, then wrote a completely different story leaving some details in to keep the name &quot;47 Ronin&quot;...but the real events are much more interesting.<br><br>It starts with two feudal lords ordered to prepare a reception for envoys of the Emperor at Edo castle. &nbsp;They were told why to do by an official in the shogunate, who later reprimanding the lords for not being generous enough in gifts or bribes. &nbsp;One lord lost his temper and made preparations to kill the official, but that lord&apos;s counselors convinced him to bribe the official instead. &nbsp;Then the official insulted the other lord, who had not responded to the previous offenses, but this time he finally snapped and attacked the official with a dagger, cutting his face before being separated by the guards. &nbsp;The attack happened on the grounds of Edo Castle, the shogun&apos;s residence, so it was a &nbsp;much more serious offense which required the feudal lord to commit seppuku.<br><br>The feudal lords principal counselor, a samurai now ronin, moved the lord&apos;s family away before surrendering the property to the government. &nbsp;Then laid in wait in Kyoto, under constant surveillance for two years before gathering the other ronin in a secret location in Edo to renew their oaths to their former lord and get revenge on the official. &nbsp;They stormed the residence of the official and a large battle ensued. &nbsp;The ronin killed 16 and wounded 22, but couldn&apos;t find the official. &nbsp;Eventually they found an entrance to a secret courtyard behind large scroll where the official was hiding. &nbsp;The ronin knelt before him to show respect to his position, and offered him the same dagger that the feudal lord had used to commit seppuku with. &nbsp;The official remained speechless, trembling in fear, until the ronin gave up waiting for a response. &nbsp;The leader of the ronin then beheaded him with that same dagger, put out the lamps in the residence to prevent the possibility of a fire which could spread to the neighbors, and took the official&apos;s head to their lord&apos;s grave over 10km away.<br><br>On the way to the grave, the ronin were met by people in the streets who had heard about what happened and offered them food, rest and praise. &nbsp;They arrived at the temple, cleaned the head and dagger, then placed both on their lords grave. &nbsp;They gave all their money to the temple&apos;s monk, asking the monk to pray for them and give them a proper burial before turning themselves into authorities. &nbsp;The shogunate didn&apos;t know what to do because the ronin had honored their oaths as samurai and taken revenge for their lord&apos;s death, but the same act went against the shogunate&apos;s authority as it had prohibited exacting revenge. &nbsp;The ronin were ordered to death and 46 committed seppuku, with the youngest being the son of the lead ronin at only 16 years old. &nbsp;The last ronin has a lot of mystery around why he wasn&apos;t at the temple or turned himself in with everyone else. &nbsp;Some say he was ordered to go to the lord&apos;s land and report on the death of the official, others that he was a coward and left before the battle, or was ordered to leave before the ronin turned themselves in. &nbsp;In the end, the shogun pardoned him and he lived to the age of 87 before being buried with the other ronin.<br><br>This is the movie I want to see, revenge on a dishonorable government official with the very same dagger that the other guy used to honorably commit seppuku. &nbsp;It doesn&apos;t say it was in the story, but if I were writing the movie it would be the same dagger which also cut the officials face in the fight, as if the lord&apos;s will finally landed the killing blow. &nbsp;Politics, relationships, leadership, honor, action, closure. &nbsp;I&apos;ve been to the graves here in Tokyo at Sengakuji temple and they&apos;re very nondescript graves. &nbsp;They weren&apos;t afforded any luxury, but their story has been told throughout Japan.

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  @isaacmartinez6904 · 2 years ago

  Good things about 47 Ronin.<br><br>One: This movie led to John Wick, which rebuild Keanu Reeves’ career.<br><br>Two: The story of 47 Ronin isn’t dead because the Japanese made their own version of 47 Ronin back in the 1994.

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  @louisbogli1804 · 2 years ago

  I exploded in laughter when Hiroyuki Sanada asked Keanu who trained him and received the answer : « Demons. »

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  @internationalreIations · 2 years ago (edited)

  If you&apos;ve ever wondered what would happen if a studio executive decided to take a creative role for one of their movies... well, that&apos;s basically how 47 Ronin was made. Walter Hamada, of all people, wrote the story for this movie.

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  @mostlyharmfulll2103 · 2 years ago

  From what I know, the main problem of the movie was that the director wanted to do something more grounded like Gladiator while the studio wanted to make something like Lord of the Rings.

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  @crona1794 · 2 years ago

  A great way to have turned Keanu into an active protagonist would be for him to bust the samurai leader out of jail once he hears of the impeding wedding. He knows the men won’t listen to him due to him being a foreigner, but with the leader on his side, he can save the love of his life, as well as the land at large. It’s a simple fix, but I think it would’ve worked so much better.

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