Marika's Ascension was NOT legitimate; AND IT EXPLAINS EVERYTHING [Elden Ring Lore]

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  @OccamsOnion · 2 years ago · pinned

  Hi all! This has gotten a lot more attention than I could have imagined. After going through your comments, I have come to realize there are some premises and conclusions of this theory that should have been elaborated and explained a bit more in the video. So I am pinning the elaborations here, hoping to make things clearer. <br> <br>1. The Two Elden Ring premise <br> <br>The description of the incantation Elden Stars describes the arrival of the Elden RIng/Beast and is an Erdtree incantation. This seems to imply that the Elden Ring was sent during and is linked to the Era of the Erdtree. On the other hand, the ancient dragons era is a &quot;prehistoric era before the Erdtree&quot;, yet they also seems to have an Elden Ring of their own, and a different looking one at that. Meanwhile, Metyr is said to be “the first shooting star” to fall upon the Landsbetween, in a similar fashion as the Elden Star which bore the Elden Ring. So from here the simplest solution would be the conclusion of two Rings, first one bore by Metyr in prehistoric time of the Ancient Dragons, and second one the bore by an Elden Star in the Age of the Erdtree of Marika.<br><br><br>2. &quot;Elden Stars&quot; is also a great counter evidence to the theory. <br> <br>Elden Stars is also said to be the most ancient of incantations derived from the Erdtree. <br><br>Since this incantation is the most ancient one aka the first one derived from the Erdtree, and mentions the arrival of the Elden Ring, it can also imply that the Elden Ring/Beast was sent during the earliest days of the Erdtre, if not before its existence and is linked to its creation. Therefore, the Elden Ring/beast seems unlikely to have arrived near the end of the age of plenty as the video suggests <br> <br>This is indeed a hard one for that part of the theory. But the theory overall can still stand as long as the Ring was sent on earliest days of Erdtree and not before its creation. And Marika instead waited the war to end where the Erdtree finally &quot;become the embodiment of Order&quot; before she made all the changes, which is a strategically sensible thing to do.<br><br> <br>2. Ymir and the Three Fingers are unreliable narrators <br> <br>I agree we cannot treat their words as facts. it’s obvious they have their own agenda and are most likely insane. But what Ymir said about the Fingers being broken was also mentioned by Gideon and the description of Lord’s Divine Fortification incantation. On the other hand, the origin story told by the Three Fingers in the base game is reinforced by Ymir’s version in the DLC. Given the context that there is limited amount of lore and revelations fromsoft can put into the DLC and they had to be efficient on what’s the best to include to tie in the story best they can, i think it makes more sense that Fromsoft is confirming the Origin story to us through Ymir, rather than simply repeating an unreliable narrator theme of the Three Fingers with such length. <br> <br>And considering Ymir’s goal is to become a mother of fingers, it seems more likely that he would be besmirching the mother of the fingers instead, about it being unhinged and broken. However the fingers being broken was again confirmed by other sources as well. So maybe he’s not as much of an unreliable narrator upon closer inspection, as he seemed. <br> <br><br>3. Greater Will is too involved in this theory <br> <br>The presentatio of the theory does somehow seem to suggest so, so I should have elaborated more on this. I think the changes and events mentioned in this video happened not because of the Greater Will was actively interfering and making them happen but because of the new laws and order ordained by the Elden ring and the beast that is described as the LIVING incarnation of the concept of Order. Again the Elden ring is a concept that defines the world. And changes happened simply because the new ring defined the worldly differently and ordained a new order. And is the Greater Will completely passive and indifferent? We know the Nox invoked the ire of the Greater Will and Astel was sent to banish them underground. Unless this too is also an unreliable narrator, it would be safe to conclude the Greater Will did make his will known and interfered at times and not totally passive.<br><br>Finally, there are a lot of nuances or events this video hasnt really touched on or fit in, but thats also why this will not be the last video or theory of this channel. <br><br>Thank you fellow Tarnished for showing so much love on my first video!

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  @quicksam9941 · 2 years ago

  I just wanted to say, you say that Metyr never received any messages from the greater will, but the staff of the great beyond says &quot;the mother recieved signs from the greater will&quot;, which means she received messages for a time. but at a certain point it seems she was abandoned. its very interesting thinking about what could have caused the greater will to abandon her

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  @RicAdbur · 2 years ago

  Idk why everyone is so quick to just take Ymir at his word. &nbsp;Him calling anyone else unhinged seems pretty rich imo

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  @justsomejerseydevilwithint4606 · 2 years ago

  I&apos;ve been thinking, that Marika seduced the hornsent with promises of divine power, secrets she learned from the Fingers, but when they built the gate of divinity, she betrayed them, and took the divine power for herself.

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  @danielrobinson7872 · 2 years ago

  On the stone slabs in Belurat we see depictions of the Crucible. It is three tree trunks entwined. I think the Erdtree and Scadutree used to be entwined. Marika simply plucked the Erdtree from the Crucible and left the remnants (the Scadutree) to rot. She wanted the gold aspect of the Crucible without its other characteristics (the red part of the old gold).

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  @RayGunLeo · 2 years ago

  Nice theory. I think the seduction and betrayal is literal in this sense. Marika convenes with the two fingers, which were abandoned by the greater will at this point, and they realize they can use her to force a reconnection with the greater will. They offer a deal. &quot;Become our new god (our new puppet) and we will grant you vengeance&quot; Marika didnt realize the full implications at the time, so she went with it. The two fingers, with their former comnection to the greater will and the elden ring could probably have pointed her in the direction of the previous &quot;god&quot; which wouldve been the last host of the elden ring. She seduces him, kills him, takes the threads, becomes a god-puppet, and for a time, before the elden beast had arrived with the new elden ring, she had freedom. Thats when messmerr and melina came to be, flawed because they were children of marika and radagon, who was marikas other self, a result from what the hornsent did to marika the &quot;saint&quot;. This also probably explains why shes derranged but regardless, she uses messmer and melina to aid in taking revenge, but when the elden beast arrives, and the golden order is established, eventually they had to go, being relics from a different age technically. Marika&apos;s bonded in golden chains, wamts to break them, forms a plan, shatters the elden ring, and then we come along. All part of the plan.

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  @semilegalalien1620 · 2 years ago

  I don’t think that there essentially need to be two Elden Rings, I think the previous Elden Ring of Placidusax’s and his consort God’s order are simply the previous iteration of the Order. We know even in the current age that new Runes in the form of Mending Runes can not only created by mortals (non-gods) but also inserted to the Elden Ring to make new concepts/law to manifest in the world.<br><br>I also think that the Elden Beast isn’t some separate entity that represents the Elden Ring, rather he IS the Elden Ring. The description of Elden Stars did say this:<br><br>“It is said that long ago, the Greater Will sent a golden star bearing a beast into the Lands Between, which would later become the Elden Ring.”<br><br>Overall solid theory and banger video. I subscribed 🤗❤

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  @pileofcheese5017 · 2 years ago

  This perfectly aligns with st. Trina&apos;s &quot;Godhood would be Miquella&apos;s prison&quot;. It also hints at the origins of Radagon, and wether or not Radagon and Marika were always the same person, or were at some point made to be the same person.

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  @r3gret2079 · 2 years ago

  I kinda wish we could get definitive answers to some of these questions, but at the same time, the theorycrafting with the community is some of the most fun shit I&apos;ve ever experienced.

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  @ballalpatil6512 · 2 years ago

  This also explains the fingerslayer blade. The Numen attempted to free Marika with the fingerslayer blade. Maybe it was once used to injure Metyr as well. Maybe that was why the Nox were banished underground.

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  @YamiAi · 2 years ago

  Nah, The Elden beast definitely came before Marika ascended

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  @asraarradon4115 · 2 years ago

  I think the Crucible is the Order before the Golden Order, during the Age of Plenty, at the time when Placidusax reigned and when the Erdtree was the Great Tree. I believe the Crucible was the law of the land, survival of the fittest, evolution, and the ancient dragons were the pinnacle of this order. Godfrey himself once followed the crucible, and his form before Marika tamed him, Hoarah Loux, seemed to embody survival of the fittest. The land, the gods, the tree, and the orders all seem to be inherently linked together. When Marika removed the rune of death, all that had to go somewhere. All manner of death washes up in the land of shadow; the land itself is linked to death, and it too was shrouded and sealed away by Marika at the birth of her new order. The part of the Great Tree that was also linked to Destined Death was also sealed away in this land, as the Scadutree, as they are not really separate things. The Erdtree is the Great Tree with the rune of death removed: the Golden Order. <br> <br>Now I say all that, simply to lay the groundwork that the Erdtree is the Great Tree, just with Destined Death removed. So, I don&apos;t think the Elden Stars description places the arrival of the Elden Beast during Marika&apos;s reign. After all, the Elden Beast is described as the true form of the Elden Ring. And the symbol of the Crucible is obviously the Elden Ring, just in a different form; a different Order, with Destined Death in place. Placidusax was also referred to as Elden Lord, an obvious nod to the fact it was consort to a god that was the vessel of the Elden Ring. <br> <br>Very cool video. I greatly enjoyed watching it. That is the one detail I disagree with you on though.

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