The Grimmification of Fairytales

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  @TheTaleFoundry · 3 years ago · pinned

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  @somewherelse · 3 years ago

  To be honest I think the originals are way more grim than the grim dark adaptations.

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  @Romanticoutlaw · 3 years ago

  I feel like a lot of it comes down to mourning the loss of childlike innocence, under the guise of simply subverting it. It feels like a return to those childhood stories with a very jaded adult&apos;s eyes.

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  @VeritabIlIti · 3 years ago

  Your points here reinforce why Guillermo del Toro and Neil Gaiman are so beloved as storytellers. Both are masters at taking established story forms and twisting or expanding them to incorporate more adult complications.

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  @johnathanmonsen6567 · 3 years ago

  My sister actually got a short story published in a collection of this kind of tale -- it was a fantastic Lovecraftian Horror adaptation of Sleeping Beauty titled &quot;The Many The One.&quot; If you can find it, I highly recommend it.

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  @CoronaMage · 3 years ago

  Angels fall, demons ascend. In the same way people enjoy stories of redemption and atonement, they also enjoy watching heroes fall. Both scenarios are &quot;corruptions&quot; of the former version of themselves.

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  @GabrielDeVargas · 3 years ago

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  @stripeyghost3054 · 3 years ago (edited)

  The Pinocchio dark souls game is called Lies of P<br><br>I personally love dark fairytales but &nbsp;for a different reason. “The darker the evil, the more the light of good can shine.”<br><br>To me it always felt like fairytales and especially modern ones such as Coraline or Pan’s labyrinth, feel like an allegory for the innocence and wonder of childhood, losing said innocence as an adult, and a return to said childlike wonder with the wisdom of experience.

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  @Panda_Roll · 3 years ago

  For something to qualify as a fairy tale it should make sense &quot;emotionally&quot;. There is no reason why true loves kiss is the ultimate magic, why a man turns into a salmon, but within context we accept it. <br>Retellings remove that part and try to appeal to our minds, which is when you lose what makes it a fairytale and end up with... just a tale. It&apos;s also why it usually ends up dark, the mind tries to calculate what could go wrong all the time so... it does go wrong.

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  @dreamsalongthepath7377 · 3 years ago

  I think a lot of grim fairy tails would fall under the category of “Noble Dark”. They have the same setting of darkness that Grim Dark has, but decisions matter. You aren’t cursed to a horrible fate, you have the opportunity to crawl out or even overcome the darkness, changing the world for the better. Think of a the setting mood table, with Light-Dark to Noble-Grim. Grim is fatalistic, and Noble is progressive and malleable. I feel that fits alot of fairytales, at least not with the brothers grim.

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  @marymauney3235 · 3 years ago

  Yeah, this deluge of &quot;omg dark fairytales!&quot; is really wearing on me, as someone who loves fairytales. And my favorites are often the dark ones, whether it&apos;s the classics or new media like Coraline, Pan&apos;s Labryinth, The Last Unicorn, Stardust, etc. They&apos;re absolutely dark and deal with some very mature material and themes. They also are not what I&apos;d call grimdark or edgy at all, and they still FEEL like fairytales. There&apos;s absolute a whimsy and etherealness to them, and they don&apos;t feel like the creators set out to impress you with how &quot;dark&quot; and &quot;adult&quot; it is. That&apos;s the key, I think---so many of the &quot;dark&quot; fairytale remakes don&apos;t feel like they were created with real feeling and love for the craft and the genre behind them, as with the examples I gave, but to make a buck off showing off how OMG HARDCORE they are because VIOLENCE and SEXINESS and so on. They feel like a 13 year old posting edgy song lyrics on MySpace, except the teenager is at least probably genuine in those emotions. I&apos;ve also noticed that many remakes end up...not really making anything as gray area as they thought? Like they&apos;ll swap who the hero and villain is, but that just recreates the same good/bad binary, there&apos;s still a definite bad guy and good guy. Or in the Alice in Wonderland remake, it&apos;s such a generic hero story, and it&apos;s played with all the tropes so painfully straight---the Chosen One, the bad guy being the ugly deformed sister and the good queen being beautiful and clad all in white, and it even messes up it&apos;s own moral with Alice wanting to choose her own destiny and escape an arranged marriage...but still totally fulfilling a pre-arranged destiny defeating the Jabberwocky? It just seems like a lot of the remakes that come from major studios as opposed to smaller creators end up just being &quot;ok if we make everything look dark and throw in violence, that makes it subversive&quot; without any actual thought. Having the princess pick up a sword and say she&apos;ll save herself really isn&apos;t subversion at this point. The Last Unicorn, now THAT was full of fairytale subversion while also still very much BEING a fairytale from someone who loved and understood fairytales. Which I think is another point---the people obsessed with grimdarking fairytales into unrecognizibility don&apos;t really understand them.

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  @DemLep · 3 years ago

  Funny thing is from what I&apos;ve read the brothers Grimm were basically the Disney of their day. &nbsp;Collecting old stories and softening them up a little for a new audience. &nbsp;So I think the sterile versions of &nbsp;fairy tales like what Disney makes are the real outliers.

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