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Be Quiet! Noise, Hum, Gates & Suppressors – That Pedal Show

275K views · Jul 13, 2018 · Music

That Pedal Show

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@guitarfreak585 · 8 years ago
There's a T shirt for you. "With great power, comes great isolation."
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@jamescull8047 · 8 years ago
I use the Boss NS2 and the TC Sentry for specific purposes (ideal for synth pedals like the EHX 9 series).  Mick noticing that the Sentry changed the tone is spot on - it's digital so therefore there is A/D conversion and some latency, hence the phase change Mick noticed.  TC don't publicise this but this is how they can do frequency gating in the digital domain.  The Boss is totally analog with a colored sound.  The Boss is not capable of hard gating and It is not intentionally changing the frequencies either.  It is really an Envelope Controlled Amp.  This means that the amplitude of the gate follows the amplitude of the input signal.  That can be either very useful or very annoying.  Saturated signals basically are brickwall limited and don't have much dynamics left.  The NS2 can be used to impose the original guitar dynamics onto the saturated signal.  But for synth or metal sounds we may not want this.  That is where a hard gate can be much better - where the gate is either on or off like a switch and does not change the dynamics in between.  The TC can do this.  The Decimator is pure analog signal path whith sophisticated hard gating which is why I believe it rules for metal.  At <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAllMFGdQTI&t=3150">52:30</a> when Mick notices that the reverb is gated he is correct.  It is the NS dynamic behaviour that was letting some reverb through but when he damped the strings the reverb got shut off too.  Time based FX don't make much noise and could be inserted after the noise gate but still in the amp FX loop.  That would allow the reverb tails to ring out fully and mask the hard gating.  Some metal guys use two noise gates but I don't see the need for this if it's done correctly with the clean envelope detection immediately from the guitar, and the actual gating done immediately after the final dry sound stage but before any wet FX that need to ring out.  Great show :)
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@davedavem · 8 years ago
I always wear a tinfoil hat when I play guitar. Perfect for that electromagnetic interference.
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@jeffrix27 · 10 months ago
@<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAllMFGdQTI&t=2097">34:57</a> this is why we're here also Micks look is exactly how i feel when thinking about this and trying to understand it...
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@OriginEffectsUK · 8 years ago
This is going to be such a useful episode for so many players out there. We get emails every week from people asking about how to rid noise from their systems so I'll be pointing a lot of folks to this video. I like Mick's point about single-coil hum being a part of that guitar's sound.
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@asmallfarmhomestead3657 · 8 years ago
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAllMFGdQTI&t=1006">16:46</a> Mick demonstrates how the light saber sound was achieved
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@eranmontiel · 8 years ago
Every Time I feel like I have a handle on guitar info, you guys come along and show me I know nothing. Asymetrically wound? I had no idea that was a thing! I used to think I hated learning. You both have showed me that while I HATED school, I absolutely love learning. Cheers gents. Never stop.
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@Dave_Sacca · 8 years ago
Dan, hearing you play Raining Blood made my morning. Also, I was surprised that white Ibanez Jem didn't make an appearance.
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@suspnd6170 · 8 years ago
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAllMFGdQTI&t=570">9:30</a> "If you don't power your pedals right, NOTHING else matters".
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@thromboid · 5 years ago
The thing I didn't realise at first about the NS-2 (and similar pedals) is that the level detection and gate/expander happen in different places. Using the NS-2 jack labelling, the level detection happens between Input and Send, and the gate/expander is applied between Return and Output. That is, the Input signal is a sidechain for the gate/expander. This arrangement lets you use the lowest-noise, uncompressed signal for the level detector (by plugging your guitar straight in to the Input), and it doesn't matter how much extra noise is present in the signal coming back into the pedal's Return, it'll get muted when the guitar is quiet. So, put your wah, compressor, boost, distortion, preamp, etc. between the Send and Return. Then route the pedal's Output into your amp's Return (yes, the pedal won't reduce noise from your amp's power stage, but that shouldn't be a problem). And, as explained in the video, you should place any delay/reverb effects after the pedal's Output so it won't be gated as well (unless that's what you're going for). About the only issues with the scheme are: 1) the fadeout/gate when you cross the threshold can be abrupt, especially if you're relying on feedback to sustain a note or chord, and 2) changing conditions as you move around can raise the guitar's noise level above the threshold. And 3) the potential confusion of the extra cabling and having the amp in the pedal's FX loop and the pedal in the amp's FX loop simultaneously. :)
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@krimsonlediable · 8 years ago
Hey Daniel and Mick, the TC gate is probably the worst gate ever to take as an example. And you’re right Mick noticing a difference in loosing frequencies, when turned on. It’s a shame you didn’t have the ISP G-string, because it is by far the best gate pedal on the market.
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@myronmosley2167 · 6 years ago
Starts video saying you never need a noise suppressor. Then spends an hour making a case for why you should have one. Lol
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