Was Alcohol Always Forbidden in Islam?

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  @LetsTalkReligion · 1 year ago (edited) · pinned

  Sources/Recomended Reading (as always in the description):<br><br>Bedir, Murteza (2002). &quot;An Early Response to Shafi&apos;i: Isa b. Aban on the Prophetic Report (Khabar)&quot;. Islamic Law and Society.<br><br>Clarke, &nbsp;Abdussamad (translated by) (2021). &quot;The Kitab al-Athar of Abu Hanifah&quot;. Turath Publishing.<br><br>El Shamsy, Ahmed (2013). &quot;The Canonization of Islamic Law: A Social and Intellectual History&quot;. Cambridge University Press.<br><br>Gohlman, William E. (translated by) (1974). &quot;The Life of Ibn Sina: A Critical Edition and Annotated Translation&quot;. State University of New York Press.<br><br>Haider, Najam (2012). &quot;The Origins of the Shi&apos;a: Identity, Ritual and Sacred Space in Eighth Century Kufa&quot;. Cambridge University Press.<br><br>Haider, Najam (2013). &quot;Contesting Intoxication: Early Juristic Debates over the Lawfulness of Alcoholic Beverages&quot;. In &nbsp;Islamic Law and Society 20 (2013) 48-89. Brill. <br><br>Hallaq, Wael (2004). &quot;The Origins and Evolution of Islamic Law&quot;. Cambridge University Press. <br><br>Hallaq, Wael (2009). &quot;Sharia: Theory, Practice, Transformations&quot;. Cambridge University Press. <br><br>Khan Nyazee, Imran Ahsan (translated by) (2000). &quot;The Distinguished Jurist&apos;s Primer: Bidayat Al-Mujtahid Wa Nihayat Al-Muqtasid.&quot; Vol. 1-2. Garnet Publishing.<br><br>Wyman-Landgraf, Umar F. Abd-Allah (2013). &quot;Malik and Medina: Islamic Reasoning in the Formative Period&quot;. Brill.<br><br>al-Tahawi&apos;s &quot;al-Mukhtasar&quot;. Arabic version.<br><br>----------------------<br><br>Arabic citations: <br> <br>&quot;محمد قال: أخْرنا ابو حنيفة عن حمّاد عنْ إبراهيم قال: (ما أَسْكر كَثِيرُه فقليله حرامٌ) خَطَأٌ من الناس، إنما أرَادوا السّكرُ حَرامٌ من كلِّ شراب&quot; <br>(Shaybani&apos;s Kitab al-Athar, section 843) <br> <br>&quot;محمد قال: أخْرنا ابو حنيفة عن حمّاد قال: كنت أتقي النبيذ، فدخلْت على إبراهيم وهو يطعم، فطعمت معه، فاوتي قدحا من نبيذ، فلما رأى إبطائي &nbsp;عنه قال: حدّثني علقمة ، عن عبد الله بن مسعود رضي الله عنه أنه كان ربما طعم عنده ، ثم دعا نبيذ له تنبذه سيرين أم ولد عبد الله، فشرب وسقاني &quot; <br>(Shaybani&apos;s Kitab al-Athar, section 832) <br> <br>&quot;محمد قال: أخْرنا ابو حنيفة عن حمّاد عنْ إبراهيم: أن عمر رضي الله عنه أتي بأعرابي قد سكر، فطلب له عذرا، فلمّا أعياه(لذهاب عقل) قال: احبسوه ، فإذا صحا فاجلدوه، &nbsp;ودعا بفضلة فضلت في إداوته، &nbsp;فذاقها فإذا نبيذ شديد تمنع ، فدعا بماء فكسره، (و كان عمر رضي الله عنه يحب الشراب الشديد) فشرب ، و سقى جلساءه، &nbsp;ثم قال: هذا اكسروه بالماء إذا غلبكم شيطانه. <br>قال محمد: وبه نأخذ ، وهو قول أبي حنيفة رحمه الله تعالى.&quot; <br>(Shaybani&apos;s Kitab al-Athar, section 835)

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  @m.-w.y.5417 · 1 year ago

  The man chose a topic, did extensive research, cited sources and remained extremely respectful. Now, if you believe he may have made an error or two and misunderstood something, point it out with respect, not in a demeaning manner or belittleing his knowledge of the language and such. Make your point and maybe he&apos;ll read it and respond. He&apos;s just a human, humans make mistakes. Let&apos;s be respectful and proceed with good manners like our Prophet SAWS taught. Bring forth your arguments with your sources if you&apos;d like to take part in the converasation.

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  @Jaifar-m3c · 1 year ago

  this is a very interesting topic for me because in Oman here it was normal to drink alcohol until the revolution.

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  @raeshala · 1 year ago

  As a muslim, I appreciate the thoughtful research in your videos. I watch all your videos on islam and it helps me form a well-rounded perspective on my own religion and its history.

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  @fidzMY · 1 year ago

  Let us refrain from committing presentism in this discussion. The issue at hand pertains to alcohol, a term that is relatively recent. Islamic scholars of ancient times did not comprehend alcohol in the same manner as we do today, given that the field of chemistry was still in its nascent stages. What they understood was the state of intoxication, which accounts for the varying rulings on intoxicants across different schools of thought, scholars, eras, and geographical locations.

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  @SoniaNisa · 1 year ago

  We actually studied this with our teacher<br> The thing is, nabidh is actually permitted in the Hanafi madhhab, but a lot of people misunderstand it. Even many Hanafis get defensive about it because they don’t realise there’s a clear difference between nabidh and today&apos;s alcohol.<br>Nabidh refers to a drink made with raisins, dates or other fruits in water. IAH permitted this based on clear Prophetic traditions that had allowed it as long as it didn&apos;t become intoxicating. He said if intoxication occurs even in small amount, then it&apos;s considered haram basing it on the hadith &quot;whatever intoxicates in large amounts is haram in small amounts.&quot;<br>We know modern alcohol is specifically made to cause intoxication therefore haram. Nabidh which was permitted was not made to intoxicate at all. Because if it ever reached that point it became haram. <br><br>Imam Abu Hanifa’s (IAH) ruling was rooted in Prophetic practice, logical differentiation between fermented vs intoxicating, and the intent and condition of the drink.<br><br>So while many confuse nabidh with khamr (wine) or todays alcohol, they are not the same. The permissibility hinges on whether or not the drink causes intoxication, not just the fact that fermentation occurred. <br><br>Furthermore, &nbsp;Ibne Sina (Hanafi) also has a famous medical book Urjuza fi Tibb and he discusses nabidh from a medical perspective(with many benefits of it). However, &nbsp;as he aligned with Imam Abu Hanifas fiqh and he strictly warned that if nabidh ferments and becomes intoxicating, it can be harmful to both body and mind. <br><br>In short nabidh was a functional health oriented &nbsp;fresh drink , and very different from today&apos;s alcohol.<br>This is something I learned while studying Hanafi Fiqh and Urjuzah &nbsp;fiṬib with my teacher. Just purely from an academic and historical perspective.

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• QI

  @QIYICI · 1 year ago (edited)

  The hadith literature is strange. Prophet spent most of his life in Medina. But there are hadiths that the people of Kufa knew but the people of Medina did not.

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• IA

  @iamleoooo · 1 year ago (edited)

  My guy is uploading banger after banger

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• KA

  @kathrynaston6841 · 1 year ago

  The rule of the last cup being forbidden is consistent with fermentation being used in liquid purification when clean drinking water was scarce and waterborne pathogens can be deadly. Fermentation happened is all types of situations in both liquid and solid food , yeast being used as a leveling agent in breads, so the ban would be not the food and drink itself, but in the effect. It would distinguish drink made primarily FOR intoxication with drink that might have the ability to intoxicate, but was generally fermented to kill germs and provide safe liquid for consumption.

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• TE

  @teslacoil11 · 1 year ago

  About the last point about alcohol in medicines, the Shafee school, to my knowledge, (and the rest as well) holds the understanding that it is completely fine, be it anaesthetic that makes you fall asleep or the trace amount of -OH compounds called alcohol in chemistry

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  @solstice25 · 1 year ago

  Thank you for the extensive effort you&apos;ve put into this research. It should be noted (although this has diverged from the majority of Muslims today) that the basis of rulings for anything, regarding the truth, are the Qur&apos;an (ultimate) and the Sunnah (hadith, which must be understood within the context of its revelation). Every spoken and chosen word by God (Allah) and His Messenger ﷺ was carefully considered to save people from misguidance.<br><br>It is not right for the people to follow the practice of Islam based purely on the madhhabs (any of them), but that each individual is obligated to study the Quran slowly and reflect on each revelation while observing the creation of the universe as a whole — so you may see the beauty and signs of your Lord. We should follow the Quran and the Sunnah, gently and truthfully. Otherwise, many &apos;Muslims&apos; will diverge and be different in terms of practice from one another. Just like we see today.<br><br>Alcohol, in the early stage of revelation, was not made haram because the focus of that stage was to soften the hearts of reverts. Those early stages emphasized Allah&apos;s greatness, oneness, mercy, and the promise of the heavenly abode. Afterwards, when there had been an increase in inner motivation amongst the early Muslims, Allah set the command which will last until the Day of Judgement: all forms of intoxicating drinks are considered haram because they lead to evil — and whoever leans towards evil will have aided the Shayṭāns in their acts of destruction against mankind. The wine and intoxicant industry is filled with filth, gambling, and prostitution — study it. This is the truth.<br><br>The reason we have hadith is that the Prophet ﷺ was commanded to convey Allah&apos;s mercy, favors and guidance (see, for example, the last verse of Surah Ad-Duhaa) in matters of ruling. Each authentic hadith must be understood in its proper context with an open heart. Trust that the Prophet ﷺ wants you (men and women) to succeed, so he never spoke a word intended to cause you hardship in anything.<br><br>Lastly, to all truthful hearts: you were created and placed on this Earth to discover God and His Majesty in everything—love, science, mathematics, arts, experiences, forgiveness, mercy, technological advancements, and more. To proclaim His greatness. Know that everything in this entire universe is merely a drop of an ocean compared to what is prepared for the believers and followers of the truth in the eternal Hereafter. And believe in your Lord when He promised for you as a reward: &quot;...There you will have whatever your souls desire, and there you will have whatever you ask for.&quot; (Verse 31, Surah Fussilat).

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  @mickvonbornemann3824 · 11 months ago

  Practical realities means there’s no way that there could be an outright ban of alcohol back then, it would mean most people dying of poisoned water, etc. It’s a ban on intoxication as in gettiing off ones face, that all. Date wine in moderate amounts mixed with boiled water was the most common drink in the middle east back then, like fermented mares milk. It’s pretty week so someone really has to go out of their way to get drunk on it. That’s what’s banned. The intent is a big part of it.

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