Solving FF7 Rebirth’s BIGGEST Mystery | Final Fantasy 7 Spoilercast

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• JO

  @Joshiepoo2525 · 1 year ago · pinned

  I’m coming down from the “burial being the climax of the lifestream sequence” thing. I think there will be multiple chapters of lifestream sequence, one with Cloud alone reliving Aerith’s death/burial, and later one with Tifa there, where he really finds his identity and realizes he actually did keep his promise.

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• BN

  @Bnila90 · 1 year ago

  Honestly, describing them as bubble worlds within the lifestream is a great way to describe what’s happening. It’s actually the simplest way I’ve heard it described.

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• DJ

  @DJChamber · 1 year ago

  Brilliant discussion, thank you all. Absolutely love the idea for the Advent Children cold open for part 3!

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• AN

  @andrewlavigne44 · 1 year ago

  Finally got to watch it all and great talk guys!

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• RO

  @rowanmorris2187 · 1 year ago

  Great conversation guys.<br>Probably the least &apos;out there&apos; discussion I&apos;ve heard about the worlds.<br>Clear, consise and easily digestible. <br>Thank you all for your time.

• BM

  @Bmvn88 · 1 year ago

  I like some of these answers but one thing I have a big problem with is the theory that Cloud is going to come to terms with Aerith&apos;s &quot;death&quot; in the lifestream sequence. <br>The whole narrative to set it up is he isn&apos;t able to handle her death despite him accepting it immediately in the OG game. <br>Yeah I get that he didn&apos;t try to block the blade in the OG but he pretty much felt the shock and accepted that she was dead in the original pretty fast. That tells me that he should be able to accept it the same this time. In AC what I understand as his struggle about that situation is his desire to do more. <br>The regret/remorse that he has is actually shown to be remorse in AC being that he hasn&apos;t forgiven himself for it and that&apos;s what he&apos;s looking for. Cloud already struggled with believing in himself so naturally he would take failing hard, even harder when it results in the death of someone he cares about. So I can see why people would come to conclusion that he wouldn&apos;t accept it. I just don&apos;t think it&apos;s that cut and dry. <br> <br>So I think he did succeed and the confluence of words made reality &quot;cloudy&quot; as Sephiroth says. <br> <br><br>Onto the life stream sequence correct me if I&apos;m wrong but by the point of the lifestream sequence Cloud doesn&apos;t even think he&apos;s a real person anymore. That he&apos;s just some failed clone with fake memories. It would make more sense to me that, the point of the sequence being him actually realizing that he is real and coming to terms with his place in his memories. <br><br>I bet that will be the moment that square pulls out a twist that in this one instance in the capitol that Cloud remembered correctly. If not I don&apos;t see the point of the rainbow effect, the white whispers or anything. <br><br>We&apos;ll see in a few years though.

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• WI

  @WilliamRAguilar · 1 year ago

  Great conversation thanks guys!

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• AL

  @alchalant4663 · 1 year ago

  You guys are all getting a lot better at expressing and describing how we think the game story is working now with some months removed from release. 🎉🎉 gotta listen again.

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• LE

  @Leezy916 · 1 year ago (edited)

  @joshiepoo2525 I understand you’re the host and you’re trying to guide the conversation but you got 3 of the biggest brains in the ff7 community you gotta let them cook. <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xExrofxFPcs&amp;t=2534">42:14</a>

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• JE

  @jeremyseaton3314 · 1 year ago

  The whispers show up over Midgar when Zack survives.

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  @ETHomerin · 1 year ago

  This is a golden conversation. Great video! I have to agree with a lot of what is being said with the alternate worlds being manifestations. I loved the bubble analogy. It goes hand in hand with life &apos;stream.&apos; A piece of lore I always remember is Cid in OG comparing the Planet to person, a sick young child. If a planet could be like a person with it&apos;s own thoughts, dreams, and reality, then if it became mentally ill, it might not be able to short out reality, like Cloud can&apos;t.<br><br>I think you mentioned that you&apos;re still trying to work out what role the Harbinger of Fate played; I&apos;m going to take a crack at it. The Harbinger might have been the big final filter that the Planet was using to protect itself from the illness. If the Planet and Cloud are in the same shoes, then maybe the Planet in Remake during the events of Midgar was like Cloud was between Zack&apos;s death and finding Tifa in the slums. It was very sick and exhausted, and barely able to put up a fight. When Sephiroth tricked Aerith and the party into defying fate, the last resistance might have cracked. The same way seeing the relief of see Tifa allowed Cloud to cave as the complex took over.<br><br>But consequently, this action of the party might have broken the Planet&apos;s trust, even if it was done by Aerith&apos;s honest intensions. That dream date in Rebirth chapter 14 when she had her powers restored might have been Aerith&apos;s way of regaining the Planet&apos;s (a small scared child in space) trust. But it is so hard to say. I love hearing all the different thoughts and opinions and how they match up. Every time one of you guys drops a video like this, good thoughts are always shared.<br><br><br>I&apos;m not sure how all of this will play out. I&apos;m not sure when and how the &apos;worlds&apos; will remerge. But as for the personal payoff to the audience, I&apos;ve noticed that now Aerith, Tifa, and Zack each have their own bond with Marlene. Big speculation guess, but I think by Midgar Raid Marlene might be a hostage and her life will be endangered by either Hojo or Scarlet, and her living will depend on if she trusts Cloud. By knowing Aerith and Tifa, and a part of her subconscious knowing Zack she will. Two examples: Hojo might notice some Aerith connection and want to experiment on her. Because of Zack and Aerith in the lifestream she might be able to somehow call out to Cloud and Tifa. Or Scarlet might be hell bent on revenge on Tifa for Junon. A child makes a good shield for a monster. Maybe she&apos;ll be in the Proud Clod against her will and she&apos;ll have to jump out and Cloud will have to catch her to cart her off, giving us a final motor cycle game in a burning Midgar, as the party deals with Proud Clod. Such a dangerous leap would take some trust. Just speculation though.<br><br>I think you addressed nearly all the questions of the lifestream mystery. The only few I would add to this list are: what are the mysteries behind the Gi, how is Tifa able to see that flash of both realities when Aerith dies, and also (one of the tricky ones from Remake), how is Edge of Creation Sephiroth different. In other words, keep your question list, because it&apos;s great!<br><br>Here&apos;s another topic with about as many questions as the lifestream: Shinra. How tangled is the wed that Rufus has sewn with Shinra, Avalanche, and Wutai? How much do Rufus&apos;s four loyal Turks know? What happens if the Shinra board finds out about all of Rufus&apos;s actions? How will he control them if they find out? Three of the staff know about Deepground, will they use this knowledge against him if trust is broken? What&apos;s the deal with Matt and Lucia? What&apos;s really going on in Wutai?<br><br>There is so much to this game! Had a great time watching your video.

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• BL

  @blueseraph8618 · 1 year ago

  I think it&apos;s both timelines and parallel worlds. If they are dream worlds or made from the hopes of others remains to be seen. We gotta wait till the third part comes out

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