【柴静】江青如何谈毛泽东，林彪，贺子珍与政治斗争？美国学者维特克：采访她我需要驱魔 Mao's Wife, Jiang Qing: 60-Hour Interview

Mao Zedong's wife, Jiang Qing, commissioned American scholar Victor Witke to write her biography. When the book was published in 1977, she was imprisoned in Qincheng Prison, and this interview became one of the pieces of evidence against her. The New York Times stated, "Mao's wife was severely criticized by the Chairman for leaking information to an American scholar." In the 60-hour oral history, Jiang Qing discussed whether she had interfered in Mao Zedong's marriage, whether the Politburo had imposed "three rules" on her, how she struggled against Lin Biao, Peng Dehuai, and Liu Shaoqi, and said, "Sex is initially fascinating, but what is attractive in the long run is power." Time magazine believed that in this conversation, Jiang Qing "personally handed over her self-destructive ammunition to her political enemies," but as a rare instance of self-disclosure from the top echelons of Chinese politics, this interview has valuable historical significance. The inner history of American scholar Victor Witke is also noteworthy. She went to China with a strong affinity for Jiang Qing and the Cultural Revolution, encountered intimidating power, and experienced inner struggle. She said, "I needed an exorcism." To date, there is no authorized Chinese version of *Comrade Jiang Qing*, and much discussion remains confined to the rumors surrounding *The Red Empress*. Sixty hours of notes hold the key to understanding the structure of Jiang Qing's political career and fate. Half a century later, Chai Jing reconstructed this oral history that influenced modern Chinese political history, based on the original text, recollections of Chinese and foreign eyewitnesses, publicly available archives, and media reports. Please point out any errors or omissions in the historical materials. Ms. Witke is advanced in years and has not publicly disclosed her contact information. Special thanks are extended to her for leaving behind this unique historical memory. Thanks are also extended to Ms. Zhang Ying for leaving behind precious images and texts, preserving history for future generations. 00:00 00:00:34 This interview coincided with the thawing of relations between China and the United States. Nixon's assessment of Jiang Qing: "Zhou Enlai had elegance, Mao Zedong had his own unique charm, but this woman had nothing." Nixon's aversion to Jiang Qing was precisely why Witke was infatuated with her. 00:06:09 "Yao Wenyuan used long chopsticks to feed Witke a duck tongue." 00:07:12 The moment the door closed, Jiang Qing said, "I hope you follow in the footsteps of Snow and Mrs. Snow." 00:08:11 Jiang Qing presented a photograph with an accompanying poem, which Witke thought resembled "ancient Chinese emperor's imperial edicts." 00:09:10 Jiang Qing: "Lin Biao wanted to harm me... he gave me an overdose of sleeping pills." 00:10:10 Li Zhisui said this was a political illness, and that Jiang Qing needed it. 00:14:17 "When she saw (Zhou Enlai's meaning), she was immediately displeased and said, 'Why are you meddling so much!'" '00:16:20 The fragrance of flowers became a privilege. Jiang Qing's special attraction—some might call it sex appeal—stems from power itself.' 00:19:10 "The only woman who stayed behind to follow Mao Zedong was me." Why did the audience burst into laughter? 00:22:40 "All the attacks (on He Zizhen) were just like a mirror, reflecting Jiang Qing herself." 00:25:34 Jiang Qing asked: "Is there a three-point agreement in the Politburo?" 00:27:10 Mao Zedong took her down from Tiananmen Square to watch fireworks in a small alley. That was the marital affection she cherished. 00:29:04 Jiang Qing's favorite movie was "The Red Shoes"—"A dancer who relies on human love for comfort will never become a great dancer." 00:30:21 Mao Zedong wrote on Jiang Qing's open letter to Tang Na: "It was from this point that I came to know Jiang Qing's character." "[00:34:01] At the Lushan Conference, Mao, under pressure from Peng Dehuai, wrote a letter to Jiang Qing; Jiang Qing immediately flew to Lushan. [00:35:12] This was the first time she publicly declared herself "Mao's wife," as a blow to Liu Shaoqi and his wife. [00:37:05] "Perhaps it wasn't that Jiang Qing changed, but rather that the standards of revolution and the corresponding social structure changed." [00:37:56] "Jiang Qing and Lin Biao were rivals, competing to see who was Mao Zedong's best student." [00:40:27] Witke believed: "Mao Zedong was Jiang Qing's biggest source of insecurity." [00:45:12] "She said: 'I'm not afraid of mosquitoes, are you?'—All the women immediately changed into skirts." "[00:47:18] "Wittke described herself as Jiang Qing's 'foreign straight man'—she possessed a certain toxic vulnerability." [00:49:54] "At 2:30 a.m., the film 'Queen of Sweden' ended. Zhao Ziyang was snoring loudly, while Jiang Qing had tears in her eyes." [00:50:12] Wittke: "She cast a meaningful, even somewhat sinister smile at the people around her—a smile that cont...