DEBATE: Jimmy Akin vs Bart Ehrman | Are the Gospels Historically Reliable?

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  @rickleonard9284 · 4 years ago

  It's refreshing to see two people disagree so much and still be respectful towards one another.

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  @Saddamuel · 3 years ago

  Not a Christian (yet), but I wanted to add that when it comes to Jesus referencing a psalm it seems very reasonable to me that he would be referencing it in full context.<br><br>Don&apos;t we still see this today where quotes from TV shows, movies or books carry more content and meaning than the literal words alone? If a man were to say, &quot;my name is Maximus Decimus Meridius&quot;, he might say no more and yet clearly mean that he will not rest until he has his &quot;vengeance, in this life or the next&quot;.<br><br>The more knowledgeable a person is about a book or film, the more fleshed out their use of a reference might be. I might quote &quot;I drink your milkshake&quot; in a literal sense when drinking a bit of someone else&apos;s milkshake because I know that&apos;s a famous quote but I don&apos;t know what it&apos;s from, but a big cinema buff might use it to refer to a business deal where we&apos;ve stolen a major client from under a competitor&apos;s feet.<br><br>Or, I just looked up a list of famous film quotes which could illustrate the point: &quot;We&apos;re not in Kansas anymore&quot;, &quot;Rosebud&quot; or &quot;I&apos;m the king of the world.&quot; That last one could be an illustration of the inverse. Say society collapsed and a wise man were crucified in the chaos. Perhaps he has a sense of humour and decides to quote Titanic because his crucified pose resembles Leonardo di Caprio at the bow of the ship. It may clearly be sarcastic because he isn&apos;t actually the king of the world. But if his works survive 1000 years and testimony of his final words exists, then all that context might be lost.

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  @Shinigami00Azael · 2 years ago

  <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKShBLRixR8&amp;t=5940">1:39:00</a> I literally had a way better memory before smartphones were a thing...

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• АН

  @Андрец-д4щ · 4 years ago (edited)

  Мне понравилось, что неверующий Барт Эрман тоже встал и склонил голову в молитве. Вот это уважение и солидарность, которому надо поучиться нашим российским скептикам.

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• BO

  @Bogey1022 · 4 years ago

  I absolutely love that Bart bows his head during the prayer. Very respectful

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• FI

  @finray2 · 3 years ago (edited)

  I&apos;ve heard it mentioned somewhere else that Bart refers to himself as a historian but that he is actually not a trained historian but rather his focus is textual criticism.

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• AT

  @AtheismActually · 4 years ago

  Is Ehrman trolling all of us with those fonts?

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• CA

  @CalvinEastwood · 3 years ago

  that was a brutal high-five at <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKShBLRixR8&amp;t=2730">45:30</a>

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  @RayKosby · 4 years ago

  At <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKShBLRixR8&amp;t=2304">38:24</a> Jimmy said &quot;But, we are not here to debate faith tonight. At Bart says, we are looking at the gospels from a historical perspective and what a historian can make of them.&quot;<br><br>later at <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKShBLRixR8&amp;t=6064">1:41:04</a> Dr Ehrman and Jimmy have the following exchange &quot;E: I thought you started out your talk saying that you weren&apos;t going to be talking, that nothing you say is based on a statement of faith. J: I didn&apos;t say that . I&apos;m looking at it from both perspectives...&quot; <br><br>I think Jimmy should have conceded that point to Dr Ehrman.

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• BI

  @bilbobaggins9893 · 4 years ago

  Even as a Protestant, I really enjoy listening to Jimmy.

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• IN

  @ingvaraberge7037 · 1 year ago

  This was mostly a debate over the meaning of the word &quot;reliable&quot;.

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  @timrichardson4018 · 2 years ago

  Listening to Shelby Foote talk about writing his narrative of the Civil War helped me understand the gospels. Sometimes, a narrative can give you a more accurate feel for the characters and events than a hyper accurate and specific recording.

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