Talking with Contrapoints - Gender Identity, Judgement, & YouTube

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  @dustycakerie7115 · 5 years ago

  <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKrxP44Gp_0&amp;t=4351">1:12:31</a> &quot;The internet is going to call you many things Natalie, but coward is not going to be one of them&quot; That hit me hard.

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  @beatrixlozach · 5 years ago

  What I’ve realized about Natalie: She’s shy, and she’s more fragile than we tend to see her. It’s not fair that she’s expected to be just as indestructible as she appears in her videos. She doesn’t deserve that.

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  @joymoding · 5 years ago

  I think I finally figured out why a lot of people fucking hate her on twitter. &nbsp;Because she admits in this video that she says a lot of transphobic things, and it never fazed me because it was always immediately obvious to me that she was talking about herself. She wasn&apos;t trying to hurt other people, she&apos;s just airing grievances about herself aloud, but some people don&apos;t see it as self-abuse, they have the same problem as Natalie; they feel the same hurt, so when they hear these things, it adds fuel to their own internal monologue and, they think she&apos;s talking about them when she&apos;s only sharing her discomfort with herself.

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  @grelyelo · 5 years ago (edited)

  I think she finally cracked me guys...officially.<br><br>When Natalie mentioned feeling like she was following a female &quot;script&quot; i had a chill go down my spine and realized that i felt the exact same...so many times. <br><br><br>I&apos;d been repressing the dysphoria and telling myself that i could be very good as a man if i wanted to be, and that I&apos;d be giving up the privilege that comes with being a cis man if I admitted that I was trans, so I&apos;d been ignoring the feelings. <br><br>But there&apos;s no denying - I behave feminine, I can&apos;t relate much to men, all my friends are women, i walk like a woman and I talk like a woman. I look at my shoulders and hate that they are so huge. I&apos;ll look at my frame and hate my chest. I hate my beard and I hardly HAVE a beard (peach fuzz at best). I shave my body and I can&apos;t stand any body hair. I hate that I take up so much space and I want to be tiny but I&apos;m not. <br><br>i&apos;m a woman - it&apos;s time to stop lying to myself. i can&apos;t do this anymore.<br><br>EDIT: Hi, if you&apos;re a TERF about to comment something like, &quot;Well not <b>all</b> women have to be cute and feminine, I find that implication to be offensive and stereotypical and not representative of all women&quot;<br><br>Have you considered that I <b>like</b> dressing up, wearing makeup, styling my hair, being romanced, etc? Doing girly shit? Kindly take your &quot;concern&quot; elsewhere.

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  @LucasDimoveo · 5 years ago

  I&apos;m not even trans and this is therapeutic. Processing regret is so difficult

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  @bugcatcher43j30 · 5 years ago

  At 23 minutes when she says &quot;Being a boy was okay, becoming a man wasn&apos;t,&quot; it really resonated with me as a &quot;late bloomer&quot; cis lesbian. Dating boys was fine, I genuinely cared for the men I dated. But as I approached adulthood and marriage entered the equation and became an expectation in these relationships, I was filled with existential dread I couldn&apos;t name. The prospect of having a husband, or more like being the wife of a man, was suddenly too real and I had to face the truth that I actually was fundamentally not on board with having a man as a life partner.

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  @スノーハッピー · 5 years ago

  &quot;Being a boy was ok, but being a man wasn&apos;t.&quot; Holy shit I was there. Actually a lot of what Natalie is saying really resonates

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  @sabinasehovic4177 · 5 years ago

  When she said &quot;you don&apos;t seem to be disgusted&quot;, it broke my heart a little. She is such a beautiful soul!

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• MA

  @maesterzen1046 · 5 years ago

  NGL, this comment section should be filed under &quot;restoring faith in humanity 2020&quot;

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• EO

  @eothamec2427 · 5 years ago

  Clicked for contrapoints. Didn’t know this was a public therapy session.-.

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  @13edwarduchiha · 5 years ago

  I had a fairly negative opinion of Contrapoints, or Natalie, for years now. I can&apos;t even be sure where it came from, possibly from her video on Jordan Peterson of whom i was a blind fanboy of at the time. Listening to this conversation changed my perspective of her so much, she&apos;s a very brave soul, really introspective and smart. I&apos;m definitely gonna check out more of her content in the future.

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  @StNick119 · 5 years ago

  Natalie&apos;s right, cis people can question their gender. I questioned my own gender for about a year. I didn&apos;t feel particularly at home in myself, I didn&apos;t feel very much like I was &quot;manly&quot; or that I wanted to be &quot;manly&quot;. I wondered if I was agender or non-binary, and decided to adopt they/them pronouns for about a year. Ultimately, I began feeling comfortable with (perhaps even gender euphoria at) being identified as a man and calling myself one. Now I have a healthy and self-affirming conception of masculinity for myself! And you know what, I think questioning my gender ultimately helped me be happier and more secure in it.<br>As Kahlil Gibran once said:<br>&quot;Doubt is a pain too lonely to know that faith is its twin brother.&quot;

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