Ep. 050 - Your Groups Are Too Small | SAMPLE SIZE |

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  @russellgavin1820 · 3 years ago (edited)

  I would love to watch a podcast with Jayden Quinlan and vortex optics, Ryan Muckenhern. Subject matter is irrelevant.

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• MR

  @mrnukeduster · 2 years ago (edited)

  As someone who plays with stats as part of my job, I really appreciate that you spoke without dumbing it down while at the same time making the technical aspects of error bars/regression/etc approachable to more people. I will say, though, that knowing that a shot was a "pulled shot" is a real thing, and even in High Power competition using a good old M1 Garand, I can know that I "pulled" a shot and will be able to call what zone it hit even before I get the shot called to me at 300 yards. The human component is a big factor in this equation, even when using bags, etc. Unless it is truly in a complete ransom rest where there is zero play, or a sled rifle, a human still impacts where the shot goes.

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• RE

  @Reloadingallday · 3 years ago

  Mikes, Jayden, Seth. Great podcast. We’ve been doing similar testing as well and would like to send over data that we’ve found if interested.

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• DO

  @dougblessin · 3 years ago

  Finally! Someone puts into a video what we've been doing at the Olympic level for a long time. Minimum 30 shot groups for all lots then 60 shot groups for the top 3 lots as a final test. Thank you for this!

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• JE

  @jerodTSI · 3 years ago

  This has turned in to a must watch podcast.keep up the great work

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• TI

  @tiortedrootsky · 3 years ago

  You did a huge service to the whole community! Thank you very much for sharing this!

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• HO

  @HockeyDad6631 · 2 years ago

  Best bit of info in this podcast.  20 shot minimum for establishing true zero.  Had a rifle that shoot well, but was always "off" at longer distances. Tried a lot of remedies, turns out my zero wasn't where I perceived it to be after my 5 shot group. More shots and help from the app, I was off by nearly an inch at 100 yards. Hits at distance now.

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• DA

  @dankcincy · 3 years ago

  I can appreciate the level of OCD that caused the camera to pointed in such a way to line up the edge of the laptop with the edge of the monitor. 👍

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• ME

  @memilanuk · 3 years ago

  Great stuff... just wish you could have gone into slightly more detail on how you actually do load development now in light of what you learned.   I saw where Miles has expanded on it a little in the comments, but a separate video or article doing a worked example or two would be awesome 👍

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• RO

  @ronniehallmark1278 · 2 years ago

  Well so many are not gonna take this well because this is going against a lot stuff “we” thought we knew as hand loaders. I just wish I could have saw this along time ago. So much of this makes so much sense as I look back and think about stuff I scratched my head about. Great job presenting this as I know you all put a lot of thought into how to bring this out. Thank you.All I ask is more more of this. Awesome stuff

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  @Tom-w4d4c · 2 years ago

  Great stuff.   I self discovered this visually.    I shot lots and lots of .308 on various days on the same custom target.  5 and ten shot groups and kept them in a file folder.  I was vexed, I had 8-9 shots under a MOA but frequently had a wider shot or two, mostly high and right.  One day I am shuffling through all these targets in my stack.  40 of the same photocopied target, looking at them like one of those index card handrawn movies where you bend and release a card at a time to show motion I could see my group wasn’t small with random flyers but in fact was egg shaped with the pointy end of the egg high and right.  Granted not a perfect circle like the video above but it clearly showed that my sub moa scoped M1a was really super MOA gun at 100 yards.  A lot less statistics but the proof is the same visually.

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• DI

  @diywithjonandpebbles · 2 years ago

  I stopped talking to reloaders long ago because of the information they talked about today.<br><br>If you have a modicum of understanding statistics, you do this automatically.<br><br>And they are so true…<br><br>Ego plays a huge roll in people trying to accept the information given here in this podcast

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