Response to Dr. Milo Wolf

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• AL

  @AlanThrall · 2 years ago

  Many people are calling this "drama" and "picking sides" but I think it's an opportunity to dissect what we do in the gym and why.

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• TA

  @TASM2005 · 2 years ago

  Chad FlannelMaxxer Vs Virgin PoWeRbUiLdEr

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• BU

  @bullinvginshop9011 · 2 years ago

  One of y’all need to put out a power building template called Abomination.

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• FR

  @freakied0550 · 2 years ago

  Psychological fulfillment performance enjoyer checking in. Always fun to hear the other perspective in an area where there is a bunch of overlap.

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• WO

  @worldwidegoldfish · 2 years ago (edited)

  Another incredible installment of the NNCU - Noble Natty Cinematic Universe

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• EG

  @egil9859 · 2 years ago

  ‘You can’t gain inspiration from a hack squat’<br><br>Me watching BB hack squat 4 a side making me feel like a bitch

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• WE

  @wesleycarson9254 · 1 year ago

  I haven&apos;t heard a word milo says because his voice drives me insane

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• LO

  @lorenzoespetxe6481 · 2 years ago

  The fact that you mog him in size in the thumbnail, as do all of the noble nattys, speaks volumes.

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• LI

  @LimeDimeNine · 2 years ago

  I think the most crucial blindspot for those subscribing to science-based lifting to acknowledge is seeing lifting as an individual endeavor. Especially to become advanced, you can&apos;t merely reference studies to identify how to escape plateaus, you need nuanced self-reflection. Ultimately, sample size = 1. <br><br>Same with powerbuilding. Yes, train how you want, no one is denying that, but much of the confusion in this debate has come from definitions of the practise. NH was originally critiquing a very specific tendency of powerlifting when taken as the claim of providing &apos;the best of both worlds&apos; to produce neither. He often uses the analogy that bodybuilders don&apos;t not care about strength, rather it is a means to their end of hypertrophy, and likewise with strength focused lifters, they view hypertrophy as a means to strength. The way that hypertrophy or strength have to be approached when they are means to an end versus as ends in themselves is different - thus as ends, they cannot both be complete. <br><br>To properly engage with the discussion requires going along with some of the assumptions made by NH, which as he pointed out in his final response many do not do. The scope of his argument rested on individuals being misled by those professing powerbuilding when their goals did not truly align with it, that is convincing people that strength as an end in itself is required, when in reality bodybuilding only requires that it be a means to the end of hypertrophy. <br><br>The pragmatic argument some make that it is better for beginners to subscribe to powerbuilding to build a base in both rather than not train at all seems flimsy when considering scientific rigor, because I think these are separate discussions that are being brought together to defend powerbuilding when convenient on their own terms. The goal of scientific studies to show general best methods to attain specific goals can only serve as a starting block; just as the massive middleground of powerbuilding between powerlifting and bodybuilding has an individual interpretation for everyone subscribing to it, science cannot be prescriptive for individuals when it cannot know their individual best method to achieve the same goals.

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• DA

  @Darmaiad · 2 years ago

  Your respectful, measured, and insightful take kills off the drama vibe.<br>How am I suppossed to get hyped up to get a curl PR now?<br><br>On a serious note, thank you for helping us to structure our gym endeavours (goals &amp; methodologies) inside our own head.

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• BE

  @benamitchell · 2 years ago

  When I heard Milo&apos;s point about &quot;nobody cares about what you lift on a hack squat,&quot; I immediately thought about watching AJ hit 7 plates on the Cybex and how fired up that made me to train my own hack squats. Him and Adam were the first two guys that came to mind for me so it was funny to me that you thought the same.

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  @18_wheeler · 2 years ago (edited)

  I don&apos;t understand why this topic is a drama in the community. <br>This is education &amp; opinions. Experienced lifter exchange idea and lifting method for maximum growth is not drama.

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