NATO PDW Trials: The Forbidden Saga of "MP7 vs P90" [ Collab with Oxide ]

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• 9H

  @9HoleReviews · 4 years ago · pinned

  <b>**Additional edits/ information **</b><br>According to Vlad&apos;s research, the 7N21 (the slower traveling sabot penetrator 9mm) pre-dates the NATO development, but the 7N31 100% came after the NATO trials. Same with the PP2000, which was developed around the 2001-2003 timeframe. <br><br>Also there was an error: the 9mm / 556 base cased .224 BOZ was a later development that post-dates the trials and the original .224 BOZ was a 10mm parent case. Firearms used were the Glock 20 and the MP5/10 to accommodate the 10mm parent case. Still can have some firearms retrofitted, but not nearly as easily than if they used a 9mm parent case, which would have struggled to perform with the 2500fps that the .224 BOZ was able to achieve. <br><br>The PDW trials did still kick-start the Russian PP2000 project and still had a direct influence to the importance of the further development of the Russian 9mm AP rounds. <br><br>Furthermore, if you are interested in this type of research &quot;rabbit hole&quot; you should look up the 6.5mm CBJ and the 22 TCM which are also taking these 9mm-based AP concepts to strange depths.

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• PA

  @paleoph6168 · 4 years ago (edited)

  &quot;Ivan, NATO members are testing cartridges for a PDW. They want it to penetrate armour better than 9mm.&quot;<br>&quot;That sounds good comrade. Let&apos;s try it out.&quot; <br>&quot;Where do we start?&quot; <br>&quot;Is simple comrade, make 9mm armor-piercing.&quot;<br>&quot;You are promoted tovarisch.&quot;

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• KI

  @kimseo-ryoung5640 · 4 years ago

  We all know that the 5.7 and the P90 were developed specifically with penetration of Goa’uld armor in mind rather than anything Soviet or Russian and we know for a fact that it was a resounding success

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• AN

  @anonimus370 · 4 years ago

  The lack of US involvement was good, otherwise the adopted PDW would have been a shortened M14.

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• JA

  @Jay-ln1co · 4 years ago

  NATO: <b>fails at creating cartridge to penetrate Russian armour</b><br>Russia: &quot;Fine, I&apos;ll do it myself.&quot;

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• PO

  @PomiDarQu · 4 years ago

  &quot;When armor is too thick, then leg meta is the way&quot; - Sun Tzu Art of War

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• SK

  @Skenderbeuismyhero · 4 years ago

  NATO: we need a new caliber <br>Russians: нет, калибр is fine, we need 50 different versions of it.

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• ZO

  @Zoraxon · 4 years ago

  NATO: Builds a more complicated mousetrap that accidentally lets the mouse escape<br>Russia: Adds spikes

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• NI

  @NixDeGraves · 4 years ago

  “We need a bullet that can penetrate russian armor.”<br><br>What if they are wearing plates?<br><br>“You’re fired!”

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• AB

  @ABCantonese · 4 years ago

  The 357 SIG is dead, but being a Czechophile I&apos;m still mesmerized by the 7.5FK. We don&apos;t know what the flight ballistics of the 7N21/7N31 are, but I wonder what potential the 7.5FK can have for PDW roles.

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• DA

  @danieldicicco3605 · 4 years ago

  The nato PDW trials just sounds like someone&apos;s fever dream after watching Red Dawn.

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• HE

  @henrymumford4937 · 4 years ago

  Fun fact: One of the designers of .224 Boz was Bill Alexander, who went on to invent the 6.5 Grendel and .50 Beowulf.

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