Analysis Garage Video BEFORE Condo Collapse: Water Everywhere

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• JE

  @jeffostroff · 5 years ago · pinned

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• W1

  @w1swh1 · 5 years ago

  &quot;If you don&apos;t tell water where to go... it will always take the most expensive action&quot; You&apos;ve got that right Jeff!!!

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• TO

  @tony--james · 5 years ago (edited)

  despite the limitations of her recording technique , she still did a hell of a job showing us this garage, this is precious footage, also, she even kept it a year, ( when pre collapse many people would have simply deleted it)

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• JO

  @johnstephan7680 · 5 years ago

  I’ll never again look at water in an underground parking lot without fearing for my life.

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• VB

  @vbrock88 · 5 years ago

  I&apos;m a Public Adjuster, damage consultant and represented the North Tower in the past. 20 plus years in the ins damage business. I&apos;ve represented and handled numerous claims involving condo associations in Florida. Here&apos;s my two cents on this horrific incident. First, one of the worse ideas is to design planters on a 2nd level concrete deck in Florida. Its a maintenance nightmare that causes progressive deterioration to the concrete slab, hence one of many reasons for the water intrusion in the garage and flaking ceiling paint. By the way, covered cars in the garage are usually owned by snowbirds, 2nd homes. This building has miles of piping and chases all lead to the garage, so any water leaks from above units end up in the garage. Consider ocean tidal change, regular storms, planters and a exposed concrete pool deck, this building required consistent and extensive upkeep with proper water proofing, which can be very expensive and unit owners don&apos;t want to pay for an assessment. Still no excuse. I&apos;ve witnessed fist fights at condo meetings. Unreal, I could write a 12 book series on my experience in dealing with an association board. The tourist video, the severed pipe is a 6&quot; drain line, possibility from roof&apos;s scuppers and condensation lines. Sprinkler lines are pressured lines, so clearly the water flow is from a drain. The weight load of the pipe hangers attached to a weakened support beam may have contributed to it falling in the garage (in video) just before the collapse. Kudos to the tourist that bravely took the video, it will help with the investigation. They must be traumatized. Ceiling cracks in the garage appear to be previous repairs with epoxy injections, however water still migrating. Its a standard repair to slab cracks. Engineer should have set a protocol to repair structural slab cracks. Notice in the video, there is water running down a column. Video 22.28. Ceiling paint flakes are usually caused by moisture in the slab or paint was improperly applied to the concrete. The pool itself and equipment room is on grade and thus had nothing to do with this incident, however paints an ugly picture of lack of maintenance by the association with progressive concrete spalling. Possible gross negligence by the association, therefore the CGL policy and a separate liability policy for errors and omissions by the condo board. It doesn&apos;t look good for them. The 1st party ins carrier, which will be a different carrier from the liability will be hit with a total loss 40 to 50 million. In most cases, several carriers take on this type of risk under layered coverage Ei. percentage of risk. Each unit owner should have their own policy, that provides coverage for personal property and betterments. That&apos;s all cabinets, tiling flooring and paint ETC. Plus, additional living expenses. Those carriers should tender total loss payments immediately to the policyholders. Its going to be a litigation nightmare for all parties. Its all premature until the proximate &nbsp;cause of the collapse is confirmed. Still need to rule out construction defect with materials used and/or design specs. Top engineer commented that the rebar slab ties to the column may have been deficient. This adds lateral support to the structure. He was unable to confirm it until all debris is removed from the area. They secure concrete core samples from the North Tower. The investigation will take 8 months to a year. In the spirit of speculation, my premature assessment points to the lack of maintenance and urgency to rectify the issues purported within the 2018 PE report. I must add structures built in the 80&apos;s in Florida were poorly designed and constructed. Note Building codes in Florida changed after 1992 Hurricane Andrew. This is just my opinion, my two cents, I am not an engineer but that means nothing like everyone else on YouTube. It&apos;s all amateur speculation. My heart goes out to the victims and their families. I knew two of the victims. Horrible situation.

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• TJ

  @tjburr1968 · 5 years ago

  Imagine how bad the condition was at time of the collapse. &nbsp;This video was taken a year ago!

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• TE

  @teresaboyer5707 · 5 years ago

  I will never look at a commercial garage the same way ever again!

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• HO

  @hothotheat3000 · 5 years ago

  I was on the market for a condo in NY state and had a realtor actually tell me that doing an inspection of a condo unit during escrow was a waste of money because “the HOA will handle any issues”. &nbsp;He even sent me an article from another realtor who was discouraging inspections. &nbsp;Needless to say, I didn’t feel comfortable with that and decided to work with another realtor who encouraged me to do my due diligence. &nbsp;After this collapse happened, I thought about that realtor and how many people he must’ve given that same terrible, potentially fatal advice to. <br><br>Always, ALWAYS get an inspection and don’t rely on your HOA to protect you.

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• MR

  @Mr18doug · 5 years ago (edited)

  I guess everyone is walking around their condo&apos;s garage now looking at the celling!!!

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• RA

  @radianttadpole6363 · 5 years ago

  Every experienced homeowner knows that when you see water on the floor, the real problem is not just water on the floor. &nbsp;Pipe leak, roof leak, whatever, it’s bad news. &nbsp;But until now, I never would have understood the ramifications of water leaks in a multi-story building or a garage like this. &nbsp;Thanks for educating us!

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• SC

  @ScarabChris · 5 years ago

  <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS6JFSFTZz4&amp;t=630">10:30</a> I know what that is, that is corrugated plastic sheeting. I have seen this in building garages before. The maintenance department was getting complaints from people about water dripping on their car. So they put those to &quot;gutter&quot; the dripping water away from the cars. Very very damaging image right there. That implies they knew water was dripping from above for some time.

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  @157von · 5 years ago

  This woman was very smart in checking out the garage and not just been influenced by the beauty of the building She must be glad she didn&apos;t buy there. She had to have been concerned with the condition of the garage seeing she filmed the ceiling

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