Recovering Pikmin 3's SIXTH main story area – Pikmin Unearthed

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  @Smac-Attac · 2 months ago · pinned

  Tamori (the area discovered here) will always be the one map I constantly go back to and see if there’s anything else to find out about it and through getting the gen to function myself I have made one big note that puts my doubts on this being a 6th area.<br><br>The discovered Onion onion color specified in the gen is mColor 6 which would actually be a first fusion onion (red/rock) A similar situation can be found with the base onions, Red/Yellow/Rock, Rock, Blue, Yellow, Red/Rock which doesn’t make much sense suggesting a different setup was used.<br><br>However the potential actual colors can be found in another unused map that shares a good amount of similarities with Tamori “Shimizu” another unused map with test objects, unused enemies (both still in files and not) a 5 Onion setup and no model to work off, just the pathing, (that you luckily don’t have to mess with to make it functional like Tamori) gens, and your imagination as to what it may have looked like.<br><br>Oddly, Shimizu’s Onion’s have a variable not seen in Tamori’s in its test.szs gens called “mNewColor” being a proper Onion ID 1 - 5 setup at base + the areas discovered onion being 2. (yellow) This variable also doesn’t exist in Shimizu’s benchmark.szs txt’s suggesting its earlier than test.szs and potentially puts Tamori a bit behind it.<br><br>This mNewColor uses the final games Onion ID setup, suggesting this is when they finally decided to split the Onion ID’s from what they were originally using on “mColor” which was probably the PIKMIN’S ID’s.<br><br>Example: one Onion is <br>“mNewColor 3” “mColor 2” <br>3 is the Blue Onion ID, 2 is the Blue Pikmin ID<br><br>Another Onion is <br>“mNewColor 4” “mColor 6”<br>4 is the Pink Onion ID, 6 is the Winged Pikmin ID<br><br>And since Tamori’s discovered Onion is mColor 6, this discovered Onion in Tamori at <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62eagS2w6Co&amp;t=2157">35:57</a> would be a Winged Onion instead of Blue.<br><br>Which suggests (along with similarities in objects and stuff found in later test gens) that Tamori is potentially more related to Twilight River than being a standalone sixth area, (fun fact: the Crystal Mario Frog was also planned to appear in Twilight River according to one of the remaining test gens before being replaced with the standard Yellowhops) the same can be said with Shimizu and Distant Tundra both sharing similar enemies and objects (Arctic cannon beetles, fire geysers, a cave section filled with mushrooms, slides) along with the same discovered Onion. (yellow) <br><br>But honestly, even with possible revaluation that Tamori might have been a Winged area rather than Blue, Shimizu’s mere existence and similarities to Tamori makes me doubt a 6th area unless it too was supposed to be the uber secret 7th area.<br><br>Imo, from what I’ve seen and heard, there’s a higher chance Tamori and Shimizu are INCREDIBLY early iterations of two of the five areas, back before the main bosses were even conceived and the game game played a bit more like 1 and 2, I don’t know if I’d go as far as to certainty say they’re Wii era Pikmin 3 maps but I would not be surprised if it was the case.<br><br>Perhaps the lake area seen in E3 2012 is actually Twilight River more in line with Tamori’s original layout and a different season (wouldn’t be the first time a green area was swapped with an autumn ascetic) it’s a possibility I put stake into given the 2012 demo’s Mawdad area (which Eighting seemingly forgot to remove from Deluxe among MANY things they really should’ve) was effectively pulled from perfMapB, a really early iteration of Garden of Hope, suggesting GOH may have looked more like perfMapB IF NOT HAD been perfMapB at the time of the showcase. But unless a copy of the 2012 build leaks or the area is shown again for an interview of something, we may forever be left to speculate.

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• CH

  @chobochobus · 2 years ago

  Distracted watching this video because the narrator ends their sentences sounding like they are doing a solid snake impression

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  @grey-spark · 3 years ago (edited)

  See that right there at <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62eagS2w6Co&amp;t=2062">34:22</a>. That&apos;s EXACTLY why this level was cut. <br>This level must have been littered with pathfinding glitches. It&apos;s whole gimmick is being a water level without Blue Pikmin, so every path finding error would kill pikmin. Confused further by the lillypad boat gimmick. The time it would take to clean EVERY SINGLE glitch would have taken forever. It was also probably considered too difficult in general. So in the end, they just cut it.

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  @Dalry21_ · 3 years ago

  Honestly this is the perfect way to end the wait for Pikmin 4. After so long of waiting and uncovering things in Pikmin 3 we finally found the missing e3 area and are able to end this chapter and look towards the next one. Fantastic work from everyone on the team and this make me even more hyped for Pikmin 4 in just 4 days!

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  @krubbington · 3 years ago (edited)

  Now I&apos;m sad this didn&apos;t make it in. This puts SO much into perspective, like the rushed ending of Pikmin 3, the under-use of Bulbears and Shearwigs, and how Blues are just kind of awkwardly shoved into the Garden of Hope. I love learning about unused stuff like this.

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  @T-Dawg75 · 3 years ago

  Man, i wish This area was finished. I always thought it was weird the game had 66 collectables (70 if you include the 4 Upgrades, some of which are kinda hard to find) 66 is just a weird number. Tropical wilds has 18 fruits, Garden of hope 17, Distant Tundra 16, Twilight river 15. (And obviously Formidable Oak has none.) That adds up to 66. Following the trend of each area having one fruit less, the Scrapped area would have 14 fruits, adding up to 80 total fruits. I just find that interesting.

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  @theminiyosshi2901 · 3 years ago

  <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62eagS2w6Co&amp;t=1316">21:56</a> Y’know having one golden strawberry that’s collectable in story mode is a terrifying thought. Think about it, the only creature with gold on it is the Plasm Wraith and it can create objects out of gold. What if it wanted to spread its influence outside of the Pikmin planet, realize that it can’t do anything to do that, then realize that a certain captain keeps making his return to the planet. The Wraith sees that Olimar collects items so it hatched a plan to create an object out of itself, a golden sunseed berry with wealth unimaginable, and prays that he stumbles upon it. But to its surprise he stumbled onto Olimar himself, this excitement in finding Olimar makes it forget about the golden strawberry long enough for the koppaiates found it first (though in-game I’d imagine that it only spawns after all 72 fruits are collected) and juiced it down but all collectively decided to hold off drinking it until the mission is complete. This is where the narrator’s “Perhaps it wasn’t an accident after all” line comes into play, the Koppaiates did drink the golden drink and successfully made it home as heroes, but the seeds from the golden berry would bear fruit a giant golden wraith where it can continue its spread, let alone control the minds of those who consume it (Alph, Brittany, and Charlie being the first to fall to its effects).

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• GU

  @gunnadahun · 3 years ago

  It was a blast working on this with you guys!

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  @evengreaterfish · 3 years ago (edited)

  <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62eagS2w6Co&amp;t=2574">42:54</a> This is just speculation, but maybe that part of the map starts off dry and the player needs to flood the area to reactivate a wilting blue onion. Maybe the player needs to defeat the rocky wollywogs to flood the area, which could complement their rocky appearance. They seem to be dry enemies, maybe wollytoads?<br>This area could be similar to the grove where the player finds the pink onion, providing a little challenge to unlock the blue onion before showcasing the blue pikmin&apos;s ability.<br>This would also explain the blue onion&apos;s reactivation. In Pikmin 3, the blue onion is just pulled out of shallow water by those pink plants that winged pikmin pull up (forgot the name :P). This works just fine and all, and could&apos;ve been done to avoid sequence breaking in the Garden of Hope, but wouldn&apos;t it make more sense for the blue onion to be dried up and player needs to rehydrate it? All the other onions (except red, the tutorial onion) are reactivated in some method relating to their pikmin&apos;s special ability; the gray onion is broken out of a crystal, the yellow is activated by an electrical lamp, and the pink is released from a tangled web in the air (okay, that one&apos;s a bit weak, but the point still stands).<br>All in all, this is just conjecture, but the pieces fit up well. Just an idea I thought I&apos;d share.

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  @WigwamMan · 3 years ago

  Honoured to be part of the team for this. Absolutly surreal that this was under our noses for 10 YEARS!!

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  @philltheotherguy1868 · 3 years ago

  Maybe this was meant to be the place found after the twilight River instead of the area that Louie opens up in garden of hope? They both are centered around water.

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  @Minty_Meeo · 3 years ago

  I wish even a little bit of data remained of Pikmin 1&apos;s lost stage. &nbsp;You can tell a few pre-release trailers take place in locations we&apos;ve never seen since.

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