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Jeffrey Wasserstrom: China, Xi Jinping, Trade War, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Mao | Lex Fridman Podcast #466

581K views · Apr 24, 2025 · Science & Technology

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  • @lexfridman · 1 year ago (edited) · pinned

    Thank you for listening ❤ Check out our sponsors: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/sponsors/ep466-sa">https://lexfridman.com/sponsors/ep466-sa</a><br>See below for timestamps, transcript, and to give feedback, submit questions, contact Lex, etc.<br><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W5FWUN5w2Q">0:00</a> - Introduction<br><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W5FWUN5w2Q&amp;t=16">0:16</a> - Xi Jinping and Mao Zedong<br><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W5FWUN5w2Q&amp;t=225">3:45</a> - Confucius<br><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W5FWUN5w2Q&amp;t=675">11:15</a> - Education<br><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W5FWUN5w2Q&amp;t=1161">19:21</a> - Tiananmen Square<br><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W5FWUN5w2Q&amp;t=1836">30:36</a> - Tank Man<br><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W5FWUN5w2Q&amp;t=2436">40:36</a> - Censorship<br><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W5FWUN5w2Q&amp;t=4593">1:16:33</a> - Xi Jinping<br><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W5FWUN5w2Q&amp;t=5681">1:34:41</a> - Donald Trump<br><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W5FWUN5w2Q&amp;t=5914">1:38:34</a> - Trade war<br><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W5FWUN5w2Q&amp;t=6683">1:51:23</a> - Taiwan<br><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W5FWUN5w2Q&amp;t=7296">2:01:36</a> - Protests in Hong Kong<br><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W5FWUN5w2Q&amp;t=9235">2:33:55</a> - Mao Zedong<br><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W5FWUN5w2Q&amp;t=10536">2:55:36</a> - Future of China<br><br><b>Transcript:</b><br><a href="https://lexfridman.com/jeffrey-wasserstrom-transcript">https://lexfridman.com/jeffrey-wasserstrom-transcript</a><br><br><b>CONTACT LEX:</b><br><b>Feedback</b> - give feedback to Lex: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/survey">https://lexfridman.com/survey</a><br><b>AMA</b> - submit questions, videos or call-in: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/ama">https://lexfridman.com/ama</a><br><b>Hiring</b> - join our team: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/hiring">https://lexfridman.com/hiring</a><br><b>Other</b> - other ways to get in touch: <a href="https://lexfridman.com/contact">https://lexfridman.com/contact</a><br><br><b>EPISODE LINKS:</b><br>Jeffrey Wasserstrom&apos;s Books:<br>China in the 21st Century: <a href="https://amzn.to/3GnayXT">https://amzn.to/3GnayXT</a><br>Vigil: Hong Kong on the Brink: <a href="https://amzn.to/4jmxWmT">https://amzn.to/4jmxWmT</a><br>Oxford History of Modern China: <a href="https://amzn.to/3RAJ9nI">https://amzn.to/3RAJ9nI</a><br>The Milk Tea Alliance: <a href="https://amzn.to/42DLapH">https://amzn.to/42DLapH</a><br><br><b>SPONSORS:</b><br>To support this podcast, check out our sponsors &amp; get discounts:<br><b>Oracle:</b> Cloud infrastructure.<br>Go to <a href="https://lexfridman.com/s/oracle-ep466-sa">https://lexfridman.com/s/oracle-ep466-sa</a><br><b>Tax Network USA:</b> Full-service tax firm.<br>Go to <a href="https://lexfridman.com/s/tax_network_usa-ep466-sa">https://lexfridman.com/s/tax_network_usa-ep466-sa</a><br><b>Shopify:</b> Sell stuff online.<br>Go to <a href="https://lexfridman.com/s/shopify-ep466-sa">https://lexfridman.com/s/shopify-ep466-sa</a><br><b>LMNT:</b> Zero-sugar electrolyte drink mix.<br>Go to <a href="https://lexfridman.com/s/lmnt-ep466-sa">https://lexfridman.com/s/lmnt-ep466-sa</a><br><b>AG1:</b> All-in-one daily nutrition drink.<br>Go to <a href="https://lexfridman.com/s/ag1-ep466-sa">https://lexfridman.com/s/ag1-ep466-sa</a>

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  • @BiologicalPump · 1 year ago (edited)

    I&apos;m Chinese, grew up in China between age 0-26 and lived in the US between age 26-40. I&apos;ve been a long time fan of Lex and have watched more than 200 episodes of this podcast. Although Lex tries to hear all voices and read all books, when it comes to China, I do think he naturally focuses on the 5% aspects of China that western propaganda typically focus on, and ignore the 95% of everything else of China that are non political. I totally understand it too, because the language barrier is so huge that it&apos;s hard to get any insights except what the western media have historically focused on. Even this very knowledgeable guest doesn&apos;t know much about daily life of Chinese people (he does know a lot of history, no doubt). By listening to their conversation, I feel they both have read a lot, are very knowledgeable, yet still know very little. However, this episode is probably already fascinating enough for most of Lex&apos;s audience, it&apos;s only me who suffer from already knowing too much, especially the facts that I hope were mentioned but weren&apos;t.

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  • @georgek2499 · 1 year ago

    Steve Hsu would be a great guest. You two have so much to talk about.

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  • @YuriKuzyk · 1 year ago

    You should go to China and interview someone there on this topic

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  • @jakeadams2562 · 1 year ago

    Love this new intro. Right into it 🙌 <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W5FWUN5w2Q&amp;t=16">0:16</a>

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  • @vicotorzhong · 1 year ago

    Maybe you should interview Peter Hessler?

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  • @melissabrennan5791 · 1 year ago (edited)

    I just love watching all your podcasts on every subject. Thank you

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  • @NeuralFluxNebula · 1 year ago

    <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W5FWUN5w2Q&amp;t=240">4:00</a> what’s immediately wrong here is that it’s not that Mao likes chaos and Xi likes order. It’s just that in order for Mao to cease back the power lost he had to create chaos; for Xi to maintain power he had to put everyone under tight control. The mean to get power is different but it doesn’t mean they won’t do the same things under the same circumstances.

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  • @CapitanFantasma1776 · 1 year ago

    Thanks Lex!

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  • @SfoglinoNASA · 1 year ago

    Great nap time vibes.

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  • @sharonwickens6921 · 1 year ago

    Thanks Jeffrey that was alot, interesting and I still don&apos;t know anywhere near enough with love and respect from sxx bravo Juliett xx

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  • @jasonchen-alienroid · 1 year ago

    In Asia, you are allowed to discuss governments as long it&apos;s not your current one. The reason is Confucianism wants people to have weight on the actions, meaning if they fail, it&apos;s very difficult to get back on track again. Because of this intrinsic belief, they would rather listen and studies others&apos; failures and discuss that. There&apos;s no issue learning, there&apos;s issue if learning will cause unintended side effects

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