Ex-MAGA Insider Reveals What Happens When You Leave Trumpworld (w/ Pedro Gonzalez) | Bulwark Daily

Tim Miller welcomes former MAGA insider Pedro Gonzalez for a candid conversation about how he got pulled into Trump’s movement, what he saw up close from figures like JD Vance and Tucker Carlson, and why he walked away. Pedro reckons with his own past rhetoric, describes what happened when MAGA turned on him, and explains why the movement’s embrace of cruelty finally convinced him there was no going back. Get ready for your next trip with Babbel, with quick, practical lessons focused on real-life conversations you can actually use while traveling. Right now, Bulwark listeners can get up to 60% off at https://www.babbel.com/BULWARK. Rules and restrictions may apply. The Donald J. Trump and Jeffrey Epstein Memorial Reading Room has printed the 3.5 million pages of Epstein files released by the DOJ and turned them into a free traveling exhibit, including a timeline of Trump and Epstein’s relationship and a tribute to survivors. The exhibit is traveling to more than 20 stops over the next eight weeks and is funded entirely by donations. Learn more and help fund the tour at https://trumpepsteinreadingroom.com/b... Upgrade your sleep with a Helix mattress, with more than 20 models to choose from, free shipping in the U.S., a 120-night sleep trial, and a limited lifetime warranty. Bulwark listeners can get an exclusive 27% off sitewide at https://helixsleep.com/thebulwark. Make sure you enter our show name after checkout so they know we sent you! Pedro's Substack: https://www.readcontra.com/ Pedro's piece in The Nation: https://www.thenation.com/article/pol... The Bulwark, including Tim, live tonight on Youtube: @bulwarkmedia or Substack: https://www.thebulwark.com/ Cormac McCarthy's "The Road," mentioned by Pedro: https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-road... Bulwark LIVE: Benefit for Springfield Some moments require you to step up. Some require you to show up. That’s why The Bulwark is coming to Ohio. Join Tim, Sarah, JVL, Sam and friends Friday, September 25 at the Dayton Masonic Center for an evening of politics and fellowship. All profits from this event will be donated to those in Springfield who are in need. https://www.daytonmasoniccenter.org/e... Become a Bulwark Youtube Plus Member here - @bulwarkmedia 00:00:00 Meet Pedro Gonzalez 00:01:00 Pedro’s Ex-MAGA Origin Story 00:10:14 What Really Animates MAGA 00:11:14 Race, Immigration, and Conflict 00:22:48 MAGA’s Hostility Toward Women 00:27:24 Vance as Trump’s Successor 00:33:53 Inside Tucker and Vance 00:40:06 MAGA Embraces Big Tech 00:44:58 Confronting His Past Rhetoric 00:46:48 Breaking With MAGA 00:51:10 Cruelty Seals the Break 00:54:52 Fatherhood Changed Everything