Why These Disney Twist Villains Worked

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  @supertrike5893 · 3 years ago (edited)

  I feel like the main reason why King Candy/Turbo works so well is due to the fact that the twist behind it isn't that the good guy was evil all along, but rather The identity of a villan is the main twist of the character and the fact that King Candy was a jerk from the very start and right at the very end, so he has more than enough time for being the villan

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  @lollybirdy · 3 years ago

  The Hans one came so out of left field. It felt like a last minute twist shoe horned in. Like I genuinely thought he cared for her.

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  @redtailarts101 · 3 years ago

  I think King Candy worked so well for several reasons<br>1. We always kinda knew he was up to something, unless he managed to fool you like he fooled Ralph for a short moment, but we didn&apos;t really get it confirmed he was evil until later on in the movie.<br>2. He has layers of twists. First he&apos;s racist against glitches, then he&apos;s actually just trying to protect her, but actually he lied and he&apos;s the whole reason Vanellope is a glitch, then he&apos;s Turbo, then we find out Vanellope was the original ruler so he took over the game from her.<br>3. His design doesn&apos;t fit in with the other racers when you actually look at them

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  @Can_O_Crayola · 3 years ago (edited)

  The weird thing is, Hans could&apos;ve worked.<br><br>He shows genuine care and concern for the townspeople of Arendelle. He&apos;s shown doing his part to keep the peace and calm down the turmoil while Anna is away. He sees firsthand several times just what Elsa is capable of.<br><br>Have Hans fall for the same paranoia that the others do. That he legitimately grows to believe that Elsa is a threat to the people of her home, and that the only way to save Arendelle is to kill Elsa. Combined with the realization that Anna would never let them do that to her sister, he makes the wrong decision. Out of fear, he decides that to save Arendelle, he has to let Anna, who he truly does love, freeze and Elsa die so that he can protect the nation from its own princesses. He shows the full extent of what fearmongering and paranoia can do to people, and his compromised judgment leads him to abandon the girl he genuinely fell in love with to a terrible fate. It&apos;s a powerful lesson to Elsa that making drastic, rash decisions out of fear is dangerous and hurts others.<br><br>It would play very well into the theme of Elsa being frightened of her own potential, and for an even more powerful moment when Anna sacrifices everything to save her sister from Hans. It validates the seemingly genuinely friendly and caring persona he carries throughout 3/4 of the movie, it validates his efforts to honor Anna&apos;s request to protect her home while she&apos;s gone, and it gives the movie a &quot;villain&quot; without making it some stupid twist of &quot;awktually i was the evils the whole time huehue&quot;. He becomes the antagonist out of circumstance and fear, not because he showed up with evil intent from the start.<br><br>All they had to do to make a &quot;twist&quot; villain work was just pay attention to the themes they were putting across in the writing and, you know, actually make use of them.

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  @GabePlaysYT · 3 years ago (edited)

  What&apos;s genius about Rourke&apos;s character is that he isn&apos;t really a twist villain. When Milo meets with him and the crew, he has this puffed up vision of science, discovery, and fun adventure. He assumes the best in everyone and we warm up to the crew as Milo finally starts to befriend them. But even when they become friends, it doesn&apos;t change that Milo doesn&apos;t really know them. Rourke and the crew already have a previous history of camaraderie and stealing: They were ALWAYS going to try and steal the Heart of Atlantis. It&apos;s not that they are twist villains. They were ALWAYS villains, but Milo just never caught on.

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  @kingagrabowska9366 · 3 years ago

  Let me guess why they worked: <br>1. There are clues to them being a villain, so when they ultimately betray our heroes it doesn&apos;t feel like it came out of nowhere and the movie creators didn&apos;t lie to the audience. cough Hans cough <br>2. They actually have the time to be the villain. Instead of getting reviled and defeated in 5 minutes.<br>3. They are consistent so the character before and after the twist doesn&apos;t feel like completely different people.<br>4. The twist actually being surprising would be nice. The villain is defeated but we still have a half hour of a movie to go. I wonder who can be the true villain. Could it be the only other character with any dialogue?

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  @oshkeet · 3 years ago

  &quot;Cool motive, Still Murder&quot; i think is a great rule of thumb in this era lately of fandom completely pushing for irredeemable villains. Lately people forget you can totally make a villain&apos;s <b>situation</b> sympathetic (even in a selfish way you&apos;d never admit to in public) while still making the <b>execution</b> of whatever choices they made to fix those things completely distasteful and needing to be stopped.

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  @thesardonicpig3835 · 3 years ago (edited)

  Silver works not only as a sympathetic/twist villain, but as a completely morally grey character - and I really can&apos;t think of any other Disney character as grey as Silver (let me know if you can think of one!).<br>It goes without saying that Silver is an all-around lovable villain, but the film doesn&apos;t go all the way to claim that he has a heart of gold. It actually leaves Silver&apos;s morality cleverly ambiguous. Throughout the film, he doesn&apos;t do anything unforgivably evil - but only because the plot doesn&apos;t let him. As a result, there are several scenes where you don&apos;t know what Silver would have done. Would he actually have pulled the trigger on Amelia and Delbert, if Jim had refused him the map? (While he most certainly loves Jim, there&apos;s no indication that he cares about anyone else.) What would he have done if Flint&apos;s ship hadn&apos;t tipped over before he could reach Jim in the finale? He was approaching him pretty menacingly, and you don&apos;t know just how blinded he was by his greed in that moment (if the book is anything to go by, it would have been looking very grim for Jim). At the same time, you&apos;re free to assume that Silver&apos;s bark is worse than his bite, and he wouldn&apos;t have overstepped the line even if the plot had let him. In terms of morality, he&apos;s completely unfathomable.<br>I honestly wish Disney would experiment with its villains more - there&apos;s a whole world between the irredeemable monster and the flimsy misunderstood bad boy with a heart of gold. Silver is the perfect example. Sympathetic villains don&apos;t have to be toothless and tame from the beginning in order to be available for a redemption arc (Silver revels in his villainy from start to finish, except when it comes to Jim), and nor does a sympathetic villain require a sob story to explain their character (for all you know, Silver is a pirate because he damn well loves it, and that&apos;s all you need). Your sympathetic villain doesn&apos;t have to be a tortured soul. He can just be an all-around nice person with a great sense of humour. Who just happens to be a swashbuckler.

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  @kaytlinjustis5643 · 3 years ago

  Personally, Belleweather could&apos;ve worked, simply by showing small acts of silent defiance; glaring hatred at the Mayor, before returning to her &apos;sunny personality&apos; to the main characters, who hired her simply for a vote, and still treats her like dirt and leaves all the work to her! Small things that tell the audience there&apos;s SOMETHING wrong with her, but they never did! Even evidence of sheep hoofprints would&apos;ve worked. Not made sense at first, but it would&apos;ve worked! ^^

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  @QilleWolf · 3 years ago

  Every time twist villains get brought up I think of a thousand different ways Hans could have been done better. Like for example, what if he kisses Anna but that doesn’t break the curse, they realize that they can’t be in love because they’ve known each other for two days, but he still really cares about her so decides to try and save her by killing Elsa, and THAT’S how he goes villain without fundamentally changing into a completely different character. Maybe he reluctantly teams up with the Duke to try and save the girl, y’know. Idk, all this goes to show once again how amazing Treasure Planet and Atlantis are. Silver is still my all time favorite Disney villain.

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  @hondaaccord1399 · 3 years ago (edited)

  I feel like we need to clarify the difference between a villain who <i>is a twist</i> and a villain who <i>contains</i> a twist. <br><br>The difference between &quot;Woah, Hans is the bad guy??&quot; And &quot;Woah, King Candy is the bad guy but that was kind of obvious but WOAH HE&apos;S ALSO TURBO???&quot;

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  @TDArulesclub4 · 3 years ago

  King Candy/Turbo&apos;s reveal was so good because up till his reveal, even when you THINK you already know he&apos;s the villain, his <b>reasoning</b> for doing the &apos;villainous&apos; actions he does (forbid Vanollepe from racing, etc) actually MAKES SENSE when he explains it to Ralph; If she races, the game glitches on the player and the game gets unplugged, killing the game and herself. And yet even when he shows his true colors of how evil he is, he gives another whiplash by revealing he was Turbo the whole time that used coding to hide himself in plain sight.<br>ON TOP OF THAT, once you think he&apos;d dead eaten by the cybug, he comes back in a &apos;final boss level&apos; face off in his own virus form, which was animated so creepily and flawless, toying with Ralph and Vanollepe&apos;s lives that just showed off just how merciless and evil he really is.

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